[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[JiriHrdina]

Was trying to come up with other similar scenarios and Jack Johnson comes to mind. 3rd overall pick traded by the Canes

2006-Sep-29 Traded from Carolina Hurricanes with Oleg Tverdovsky to Los Angeles Kings for Eric Belanger and Tim Gleason

If only...

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I've never understood this type of thinking...

They can trade Backlund, a proven NHL'er on a decent contract. They can trade Poirier who has boat loads of potential and is developing nicely.
Or they can have Klimchuk who plays a Lance Bouma type game, has a lot of potential too..

But don't trade our 1st round pick that will likely be no better than Poirier or Klimchuk?

Assuming the Flames make the playoffs that is.

That is a big assumption, at this point in the season. If you are, say, St. Louis or Chicago and are looking for a boost, then for sure the 1st rounder should be in play. I just don't think the Flames are anywhere near that position, and will unlikely be in that position by the trade deadline. Just too much risk in how the lottery balls could bounce.

[puckedoff]

Plus that 7th could end up being 1st overall, with the new fangled rules

[Split98]

So the Rangers would effectively be trading the 2016 and 2017 1st' for Drouin and almost a year of Yandle?

I'd be rattled if I was a Rangers fan and that happened. That kid honestly has bust (yes.) potential as much as he has boom. Leaning a bit more towards bust. Worth the risk if he can pull it together, but not THAT much of a risk.

[polak]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I've never understood this type of thinking...

They can trade Backlund, a proven NHL'er on a decent contract. They can trade Poirier who has boat loads of potential and is developing nicely.
Or they can have Klimchuk who plays a Lance Bouma type game, has a lot of potential too..

But don't trade our 1st round pick that will likely be no better than Poirier or Klimchuk?

Assuming the Flames make the playoffs that is.

Have you looked up the Heats stats? Poirier and Klimchuck are trending more towards career AHL'ers than the .5 PPG NHL player that Drouin already is. They still have value but you will need to throw in a useful NHL'er on a good contract like Mikael Backlund to make a deal.

What do you expect to get him for? Yzerman isn't actively trying to make his team worse.

Our 1st better be completely off the table. We could easily have a top 10, maybe even top 5 pick at this point.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But don't trade our 1st round pick that will likely be no better than Poirier or Klimchuk?

Assuming the Flames make the playoffs that is.

I like the optimism, but while the Flames are 1 point behind the playoff position Ducks, they are also only 1 point ahead of the 3rd last Oilers. Don't think we can assume anything about where that pick ends up being at this point.

[DFO]

A list of young guys getting traded that may be comparable.

http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/1/4/jonat...arket-so-early

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by mdubz

We're drafting 7th overall as of right now. Why would you believe a 7th overall pick would be worse than Poirier or Klimchuk, who are both trending to be busts?

Because the draft isn't today...

If the Flames continue to win their 7 game series', they will be drafting between 14-18 imo.

There is no guarantee on any player in that range.

I truly believe the Flames make the dance again this year and they will not be picking top 10.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by polak

Have you looked up the Heats stats? Poirier and Klimchuck are trending more towards career AHL'ers than the .5 PPG NHL player that Drouin already is. They still have value but you will need to throw in a useful NHL'er on a good contract like Mikael Backlund to make a deal.

What do you expect to get him for? Yzerman isn't actively trying to make his team worse.

Our 1st better be completely off the table. We could easily have a top 10, maybe even top 5 pick at this point.

I'm not saying our 1st for Drouin is the route I would like the Flames to take. But a few things I take issue with in this post..

1) AHL career does not reflect an NHL career. For better or worse.

2) Poirier has shown he can compete. So has Klimchuk.

3) you're missing my point completely..

If you have a player that is that highly regarded, has a couple years of development already but is still finding his way and may need a change of scenery to make it all come together, do you not take that chance with your 1st if that's what it takes?
Furthermore, who do you like in the upcoming draft between lets say 7-14 who you think is better now than Drouin.

For the record, I'm not necessarily a Drouin fan. I've seen him play live in junior and his game isn't quite the same when playing against men.

That 1st isn't necessarily more valuable than 2 guys developing in the AHL already who have a lot of upside.

Kind of a "devil you know" situation

[Hackey]

Our 1st this year has way more value than Poirier or Klimchuk. Not comparable in my opinion. If were trading the 1st I'd definitely prefer a player who is somewhat proven.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Our 1st this year has way more value than Poirier or Klimchuk. Not comparable in my opinion. If were trading the 1st I'd definitely prefer a player who is somewhat proven.

You're speaking in definite terms. Which is quite the fallacy.

You're assuming the Flames pick 5-10. What if they end up picking 13? Is Drouin not more valuable than the player picked at 13 overall?

I'm not saying Poirier and Klimchuk are more valuable, I'm saying the 1st may not end up being more valuable than them.

[Hackey]

That's definitely a tough call. Drouin or 13. As for Poirier and Klimchuk I'd take 13 over them without hesitation.

[Poe969]

the first could end up a bust or it could end up Matthewes/Puljajarvi so until you know what your pick is, you don't trade it. Imagine if the Flames traded their first and it ended up winning the lottery for 1-3 spot. I'd be more happy if the Flames traded away something for another teams first rounder. Imagine getting Matthews & Pulajarvi in the same draft....

[Vinny01]

Teams can also protect the pick they are sending. Flames could trade a 1st and say if they miss the playoffs this year they have the choice to send next years. When we trades Bouw to the Blues they were on the outside looking in and protected the pick

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Hackey

That's definitely a tough call. Drouin or 13. As for Poirier and Klimchuk I'd take 13 over them without hesitation.

Yeah.. I hear ya on Poirier and Klimchuk. But its an easy call imo when 13th overall vs Drouin. The guy does have world class talent. But the reality is, sometimes these guys can't play against the best in the world or with the best for that matter.

I think Poirier still has the body, speed, and skill set but perhaps not the heart it takes to always be pushing the envelope in the tough spots.

And Klimchuk is perhaps the opposite.

But neither are a write off by any means.

But again, my point is simply, you can't say 1 asset is more valuable than an asset in which you don't even know what you have (in terms on draft position and then the player you pick and their development).

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But again, my point is simply, you can't say 1 asset is more valuable than an asset in which you don't even know what you have (in terms on draft position and then the player you pick and their development).

I think most agree which is why people would be nervous to trade the pick. Worst/Best case scenario the pick is maybe in the mid teens. Worst/Best case scenario the pick is top 5. We're basically fighting for the 3rd spot in our division. LA and Anaheim I think will take the top 2 spots and the wildcard is likely two teams from the central. Making the playoffs is far from a guarantee so the pick is a risky one to give up unless of course you protect it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

You're speaking in definite terms. Which is quite the fallacy.

You're assuming the Flames pick 5-10. What if they end up picking 13? Is Drouin not more valuable than the player picked at 13 overall?

There's always going to be one high-end player available in that range too, just depends if Calgary's the team to identify him:

Karlsson (2008 15th OA)
Leddy (2009 16th OA)
Tarasenko (2010 15th OA)
Kuznetsov (2010 26th OA)
Forsberg (2012 11th OA)
Domi (2013 12th OA)
Larkin (2014 15th OA)
Pastrnak (2014 25th OA)

I don't think those teams would trade those players for Drouin. Who's that player this year? I dunno. Michael McLeod maybe? The only year not represented is 2011, that draft's best players were all drafted in late rounds (Johnny, Palat, Kucherov, Saad)

Some other recent prospects who seem to be trending well lately:
2013
Mantha (20th OA)
2014
Honka (14th OA)
Sanheim (17th OA)
Tuch (18th OA)
2015
Barzal (15th OA)
Connor (17th OA)
White (21st OA)
Boeser (23rd OA)
Sprong (46th OA)
Kylington (60th OA)

[Erick Estrada]

The most you could fetch for either Poirer or Klimchuk is likely a 2nd round pick and that's if a team really likes one of them. They aren't busts or anything but they are looking more like depth players than major contributors at this stage of their development.

[Poe969]

The Flames are in a rebuild. You don't trade first rounders unless it's for a proven young NHL star. As much as I like Drouin, he isn't a proven NHL star...not like Dougie anyway. It's a rebuild and you want to have good young talent spread out in position and age because of when they'll need new contracts. The Flames traded away last years first (in an amazing deal) so unless something like that comes up, I wouldn't trade it.

[Tinordi]

They're more busts than they are NHL players. Which is not to say that they are busts bit to say that they don't have anywhere close to the value of the Flames first this year.