2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The man gave up a 1st round pick for Paul "fricking" Gaustad. Never say never

How does a GM dumb enough to spend a 1st rounder on a 4th liner get lucky enough to snag Forsberg for Erat. NHL trading can be baffling at times.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Considering they only have to pay Weber 30 million over the next 8 years I have no idea why they would do that trade. They would have to pay RNH the same amount over 5 years and he sucks. Weber is only costing them 3.75 million a year after this season.

That contract now is perfect for the Preds. No point in trading him after the first 3 years they spent so much. Philly tried to bankrupt them with that contract.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

How does a GM dumb enough to spend a 1st rounder on a 4th liner get lucky enough to snag Forsberg for Erat. NHL trading can be baffling at times.

He's 6'5 230lbs. He's very good in the faceoff dot. Good penalty killer. He probably fits perfectly into the system Nashville wants to play. Maybe Poille realized that draft was extremely weak and felt comfortable giving away the pick. Gaustads been there ever since the trade and so far the picks from #21 back in that draft don't look that great.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

To be technical I think a low shooting percentage means he has no trouble hitting the goalie, not the net.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

His preds have made the playoffs 7/10 seasons since the implementation of the salary cap, despite having to stay within an internal budget and continuously rebuild from within.

Pretty impressive if you ask me.

Look at the D they draft and develop over and over again because they struggle to keep them long term due to the internal budget.

The salary cap makes it easier for the budget teams...compared to when their competitors are allowed to spend as much as they want

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

How does a GM dumb enough to spend a 1st rounder on a 4th liner get lucky enough to snag Forsberg for Erat. NHL trading can be baffling at times.

the trade deadline breeds desperation, most deadline deals are bad deals. these are just two examples. but iirc there were questions about forsberg's character at the time as well

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

The salary cap makes it easier for the budget teams...compared to when their competitors are allowed to spend as much as they want

Well, it means teams in the bottom third of the league in revenue don't get absolutely pounded and lose all of their stars. However, you still have to be a very sharp GM to put together a team that consistently makes the playoffs in spite of having a payroll $10 mil under the top teams. You have to consistently draft and develop well, and have almost no margin for error in cap management.

For perspective, shave $8 mil off the Flames current payroll and call that the internal cap, year after year. That's what Poile works with.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

The salary cap makes it easier for the budget teams...compared to when their competitors are allowed to spend as much as they want

This is true but it also makes it more difficult to keep a team together as well. Especially if you have to work within an internal budget so you do have less to spend than your competition. Nashville is one of the lowest spending teams most of the time yet they are usually quite competitive. Imagine Chicago was forced to spend 10 million less than they are right now.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is true but it also makes it more difficult to keep a team together as well. Especially if you have to work within an internal budget so you do have less to spend than your competition. Nashville is one of the lowest spending teams most of the time yet they are usually quite competitive. Imagine Chicago was forced to spend 10 million less than they are right now.

You're arguing my point...that's exactly why it's easier for lower budget teams to succeed...imagine if Chicago was allowed to spend another $10-15MM...

...anyway, I'm not trying to take anything away from Poile, I'm impressed with the Nashville organization, for sure...I'm simply pointing out a flaw in logic.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Well, it means teams in the bottom third of the league in revenue don't get absolutely pounded and lose all of their stars. However, you still have to be a very sharp GM to put together a team that consistently makes the playoffs in spite of having a payroll $10 mil under the top teams. You have to consistently draft and develop well, and have almost no margin for error in cap management.

For perspective, shave $8 mil off the Flames current payroll and call that the internal cap, year after year. That's what Poile works with.

Like Hackey, you're arguing my point for me...yes, what Poile has done is impressive, but it'd be even harder without the cap, as other teams would be spending $20MM above their budget, instead of $8MM

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Like Hackey, you're arguing my point for me...yes, what Poile has done is impressive, but it'd be even harder without the cap, as other teams would be spending $20MM above their budget, instead of $8MM

What Poile has done is impressive, and it's true, it would be even harder (probably impossible) without the cap. On the other hand, it would be easier if he were able to spend to the cap, which I think may be the point Hackey is trying to make. It's easier for budget teams now than it used to be, but it is still harder for budget teams than for cap teams.

[sureLoss]

In his 30 thoughts, Friedman wrote that Nicklas Jensen and Ty Rattie might be moved because they are getting close to needing waivers.

Not sure if Rattie in particular would be moved on his own. More likely he would be added to a package as a sweetner IMO.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Like Hackey, you're arguing my point for me...yes, what Poile has done is impressive, but it'd be even harder without the cap, as other teams would be spending $20MM above their budget, instead of $8MM

I understand what you're saying and yes I agree but I'm also pointing out the fact that his budget is restricted so this makes it difficult for him to aquire and keep players as well. They have to draft very well and be creative with their trades and signings to maintain being competitive year after year within tighter constraints than most. But yes if Chicago was spending 10 million they would be quite a bit better. Nashville is more than 10 million under the cap right now as well though so if Poille could spend to the cap that team would be significantly better. Obviously the more money you have to spend the easier your job is which is why Poille has been quite impressive.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

In his 30 thoughts, Friedman wrote that Nicklas Jensen and Ty Rattie might be moved because they are getting close to needing waivers.

Not sure if Rattie in particular would be moved on his own. More likely he would be added to a package as a sweetner IMO.

Nicklas Jensen has little to no trade value - another blown first rounder from Mike Gillis. The equivalent of our Greg Nemisz.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Nicklas Jensen has little to no trade value - another blown first rounder from Mike Gillis. The equivalent of our Greg Nemisz.

Jensen would probably pass through waivers unclaimed. Rattie may get picked up in waivers but his trade value is pretty minimal as well as the Blues may get back another middling prospect. Baertschi and Rattie looked so good in junior yet are having their struggles adapting to the size and speed of the NHL. That said Rattie doesn't look like the type of player that would fit well with the Blues style of play.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Considering they only have to pay Weber 30 million over the next 8 years I have no idea why they would do that trade. They would have to pay RNH the same amount over 5 years and he sucks. Weber is only costing them 3.75 million a year after this season.

Weber still has 54M remaining on his contract after this year. He makes 30M in the next 3 years.

[Hackey]

What he is owed might matter to some teams but I think his cap hit is truly what matters when dealing him. Close to 8 million I believe. If he's available though I'm sure there would be a good handful of teams willing to make it work.

[Jacks]

I would imagine close to every team in the league would be interested in Weber, even at his cap hit. Nashville won't trade him, no way no how.

They've already paid out 56Mil in salary against approx 31.5Mil in cap hit after just 4 years (at the end of this season). If they trade him now they would get slaughtered on recapture penalties when he surely retires 3-4 years early. They need him to play a bunch of those 6Mil years to get the recapture down at least a little bit.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Remember when Flames fans wanted to trade for Rattie, and have the Baer - Rattie duo ... Times have changed.

[dammage79]

Rattie is doing well IMO. Where's this no value thing coming from?

He's almost a PPG in the AHL this year and has 2 points in 5 gp with STL. If anything, he is developing better than Sven as he has been more consistent since being drafted. If the Flames were to get Rattie for the same cost as Sven I say the Flames upgraded.