While I think Cooper sometimes outsmarts himself you can't argue that the results of his tenure in TB have been very good including making it to the finals last season. Some of Stamkos best statistical seasons happened on bad Lightning teams so maybe Stamkos has to choose between playing a team game and winning or going the Phil Kessel route and collecting great stats on a loser.
Not that their comparable players in playing style.
But look at Ovie, Oates and Trotz have done a great job adjusting his game yet he's still putting up the points.
If I'm BT and someone offers a 2nd and a 3rd for Hudler, I accept immediately, without hesitation. I think people's expectations for what he will return are optimistic to say the least. Part of the reason Glencross returned what he did was because there was this perception that he was a fast, hardworking winger that played a solid north/south game, and got 20 goals while doing it. Being able to slot him on any of the bottom 3 lines was appealing as well. Pretty much the exact type of player a playoff team should look for. The only problem was that Washington's scouts apparently didn't do a great job or were watching video from 2-3 years ago.
The only thing Hudler has/had in common with Glencross is he has the ability to score 20 goals. Playoff teams are generally pretty setup in their top 6 and that's the only place Hudler can go. Teams are looking for upgrades or depth come playoff time. A guy like Hudler isn't a depth player so he will have to go to a team looking for an upgrade. Looking around the league, there aren't a ton of contenders that look like they need a guy like him to the point where they will pay a premium. If Stamkos and Staal enter the market, then all bets are off.
Hudler was a top 10 scoring player in the league last year and a solid 50pt player. Teams are always looking for scoring help at the deadline so I don't think it will be a problem moving him.
The biggest issue will be the market price. Are we looking at the 2014 market where top 6 forwards went for a 2nd or less? Are we looking at last years market where a Fransen/Santatelli package netted a 1st?
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So.. Hudler has the same value as Curtis Glencross @ last trade deadline?!? Wtf..
Hudler gets you a first.
Depends on the market. 2014 deadline players Gaborik, Cammalleri, Vanek could not get 1st round picks. Last year the market was different with more teams trading their picks to go for it. If the market is like last year I think you are right if it is 1 years ago then a 2nd + is what we can hope for
If I'm BT and someone offers a 2nd and a 3rd for Hudler, I accept immediately, without hesitation. I think people's expectations for what he will return are optimistic to say the least. Part of the reason Glencross returned what he did was because there was this perception that he was a fast, hardworking winger that played a solid north/south game, and got 20 goals while doing it. Being able to slot him on any of the bottom 3 lines was appealing as well. Pretty much the exact type of player a playoff team should look for. The only problem was that Washington's scouts apparently didn't do a great job or were watching video from 2-3 years ago.
The only thing Hudler has/had in common with Glencross is he has the ability to score 20 goals. Playoff teams are generally pretty setup in their top 6 and that's the only place Hudler can go. Teams are looking for upgrades or depth come playoff time. A guy like Hudler isn't a depth player so he will have to go to a team looking for an upgrade. Looking around the league, there aren't a ton of contenders that look like they need a guy like him to the point where they will pay a premium. If Stamkos and Staal enter the market, then all bets are off.
Probably this... cause while Glencross was a better skater and more physical player, Hudler is in a different league when it comes to his hockey sense, stickhandling, shot etc etc... Hudler is a far better player.
Not sure what he's worth though.
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He is 5"11 sure. However all the scouting reports on him have one thing in common... The kid battles! He goes hard into the corners, boards, and often comes out with the puck. Tons of heart,and the skill to go with it. Sounds like he could develop into a nice 2nd line scoring winger that has lots of heart and a large motor.
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It's funny that some people talk about how one player is worth only this or not worth that... Would anyone have thought that Erat (+some low end prospect) would be worth Filip Forsberg? Or that Ben Bishop was only worth Cory Conacher or that Gaborik was only worth Matt Frattin+ a second and a third?
At the deadline, a player could be worth a kings ransom or a B prospect. No one will know until it happens.
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If I'm BT and someone offers a 2nd and a 3rd for Hudler, I accept immediately, without hesitation.
Then it is a damn good thing you are not BT. That is a hell of a message to send to the team as they are playing very well now and getting closer to a playoff spot. Hey, we will just dump one of our top 6 guys with nobody able to come in and replace his offence for a 2nd and a 3rd, sorry boys, maybe next year.
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The Flames are trucking along just fine without Hudler. While I will generally agree that Hudler should get more in trade, again I say we have no idea what any GM will do day to day let alone E what two will do, other than make a trade the way they see fit.
The Flames are trucking along just fine without Hudler. While I will generally agree that Hudler should get more in trade, again I say we have no idea what any GM will do day to day let alone E what two will do, other than make a trade the way they see fit.
Well duh. Isn't that the point of this thread? Discuss what you think other GMs would do.
Of course no one really knows what GMs are going to do, but the discussion of what a person would do in their shoes is the basis of this thread. As long as you can back up your reasoning, go ahead and debate.
People may be way off when the trades finally happen.
But saying you guys have no idea what a GM will do is essentially:
If you don't like it don't come into speculation/rumor threads.
The point of this thread is to give people a place to report and discuss possible trades, possible meaning hypothetical. Hypothetical meaning imaginary.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT AN IMAGINARY GM WOULD DO
Well actually we all do, in our IMAGIINNATTIONNNN, IMAGINNATTIONNNN.
Quit trying to take over our imaginations.
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Well duh. Isn't that the point of this thread? Discuss what you think other GMs would do.
Of course no one really knows what GMs are going to do, but the discussion of what a person would do in their shoes is the basis of this thread. As long as you can back up your reasoning, go ahead and debate.
People may be way off when the trades finally happen.
But saying you guys have no idea what a GM will do is essentially:
If you don't like it don't come into speculation/rumor threads.
Don't give me the "don't like it, don't click on it". Biggest fracking Joke of a statement on this site for many... many reasons.
I'm all for discussion, the sometimes arrogant "matter of fact" posting by some about anything involving trades or what player X should be valued is annoying and obnoxious to read. I know I've been guilty of it myself over the years as well. There's nothing hostile about what I am saying, just alter the context so it can be framed in thoughtful discussion. Not a hard concept.
And don't think for one second you yourself have never said the same thing either.
Then it is a damn good thing you are not BT. That is a hell of a message to send to the team as they are playing very well now and getting closer to a playoff spot. Hey, we will just dump one of our top 6 guys with nobody able to come in and replace his offence for a 2nd and a 3rd, sorry boys, maybe next year.
Yes, maybe next year. If you haven't been paying attention the Flames really suck this year and will continue to suck with or without Hudler. You have to get the assets if they are available.
Don't give me the "don't like it, don't click on it". Biggest fracking Joke of a statement on this site for many... many reasons.
I'm all for discussion, the sometimes arrogant "matter of fact" posting by some about anything involving trades or what player X should be valued is annoying and obnoxious to read. I know I've been guilty of it myself over the years as well. There's nothing hostile about what I am saying, just alter the context so it can be framed in thoughtful discussion. Not a hard concept.
And don't think for one second you yourself have never said the same thing either.
And dismissing someone's speculation as "you have no idea what a GM is going to do" is hypocritical and just as arrogant and comes off as "matter of fact".
Yeah I have been annoyed by some proposals, but I either comment on it or hold my tongue. My opinion is not necessarily better than others.
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