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Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Think abput it this way if all it would have taken was a a little sympothy and kindness towards this guy, wouldn't it be worth it to save the lives of the people he shot. Even though you may not think he deserves it?

Over what? Kindness because he's stupid, or he's physically uncoordinated in sports, or his face looks like a pizza? Look, we all have our burdens to bear in life. Society doesn't owe you anything. High school's a good place to start learning that because it don't get any easier in the Big World.

A pretty good start to showing "Kindness and Sympathy" is to NOT SHOOT AND KILL PEOPLE.

pope04 · 09-13-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Think abput it this way if all it would have taken was a a little sympothy and kindness towards this guy, wouldn't it be worth it to save the lives of the people he shot. Even though you may not think he deserves it?

How do you know that this was all that it would've taken to avert this tragedy? Maybe this guy twigged because people were TOO kind to him. Maybe his girlfriend broke up with him. Maybe he hated Richard Dawson. We'll never know.........I just wish this guy jumped off a bridge instead of committing this atrocity.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Over what? Kindness because he's stupid, or he's physically uncoordinated in sports, or his face looks like a pizza? Look, we all have our burdens to bear in life. Society doesn't owe you anything. High school's a good place to start learning that because it don't get any easier after that.

Yes we all do have burdens, and wouldn't it be alot easier if others would help you with those burdens.
Society holds a resposiblity to those who are part of it. If it didn't then it would be nothing but a bunch of indaviduals oblivious of everyone around them.

flames_1987 · 09-13-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

You are confusing Cause and effect. You say that he deserved the ridicual that he may have recieved. But he only deserved it (acording to you) because he commited these shootings. He didn't prove that he doesn't deserve "sympothy, respect or kindness". The events proved that he never recieved "sympothy, respect or kindness".

Acts like these are not justifiable but however they are preventable.

Right now I beleive this was a White Supremisist act. If that is the case, how was this preventable? This has nothing to do with how people have treated someone but to do with one's sick hate for other people

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pope04

How do you know that this was all that it would've taken to avert this tragedy? Maybe this guy twigged because people were TOO kind to him. Maybe his girlfriend broke up with him. Maybe he hated Richard Dawson. We'll never know.........I just wish this guy jumped off a bridge instead of committing this atrocity.

Ya all those "twigged" out npeople that just can't take kindness.

I wish that whatever reason he had for doing the shooting, never took place.

Zarathustra · 09-13-2006, 06:58 PM

So has anybody called this guy a terrorist in the thread yet? Shouldn't this be considered an act of terror? Or are white guys devoid of this name/title?

KevanGuy · 09-13-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_1987

Right now I beleive this was a White Supremisist act.

Why? Because (as you posted earlier) "The people described as the shooters we're in all black, with mowhawks and numerous piercings"?

Just that leads you to believe the dude was a White Supremisist? I'm sorry but I find that totally ridiculous.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_1987

Right now I beleive this was a White Supremisist act. If that is the case, how was this preventable? This has nothing to do with how people have treated someone but to do with one's sick hate for other people

Yes but if we learn why he has such hate in him then we can try to prevent others from falowing the same path.
It was preventable though educating him about why his hatred is irrational and damaging to himself and society.

Super-Rye · 09-13-2006, 07:06 PM

I know a bunch of people out in Montreal and a good handful of them goto Dawson's college, I haven't been able to get ahold of any of them. Hoping for the best. x.x

pope04 · 09-13-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Super-Rye

I know a bunch of people out in Montreal and a good handful of them goto Dawson's college, I haven't been able to get ahold of any of them. Hoping for the best. x.x

I hope all is well with your people.

pope04 · 09-13-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Yes but if we learn why he has such hate in him then we can try to prevent others from falowing the same path.
It was preventable though educating him about why his hatred is irrational and damaging to himself and society.

As nice as it would've been to figure out why this scumbag tipped over, I'm glad he got killed.

AFireInside · 09-13-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Why? Because (as you posted earlier) "The people described as the shooters we're in all black, with mowhawks and numerous piercings"?

Just that leads you to believe the dude was a White Supremisist? I'm sorry but I find that totally ridiculous.

I'm going to have to agree with Kevan Guy here. Though this isn't the time to be arguing about this either I suppose. Since when does a mowhawk and numberous piercings make you a white supremacist? Until about a month ago I had a mowhawk, I have several piercings. I'm clearly not a white supremacist. Just a normal university student who likes punk music piercings and tattoos. A lot of my friends are preppy, does that make them something?
There is no evidence that its a white supremacist (maybe it is, we don't know yet), besides its not like they (as in white supremacists) all look exactly alike. What a ridiculous narrowminded comment.

Back to the topic at hand, what a disgusting cowardly act. I can't imagine what would drive someone to do this kind of thing. It will be interesting to learn about this situation as details come out.. I'd rather have the person suffer in prison then get the easy way out and die.

FireFly · 09-13-2006, 07:24 PM

The question I have is: what is it about Montreal that causes this type of thing? This is the second time this has happened, the first time being that women's college where women were slaughtered. Don't get me wrong, I mean it's not the only place in the world where bad things happen, but in Canada, it doesn't happen often, and in Montreal, that's twice, and once was too many.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pope04

As nice as it would've been to figure out why this scumbag tipped over, I'm glad he got killed.

Fair enough, but now is the time to try and prevent this sort of thing from happening again.

moon · 09-13-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

You are confusing Cause and effect. You say that he deserved the ridicual that he may have recieved. But he only deserved it (acording to you) because he commited these shootings. He didn't prove that he doesn't deserve "sympothy, respect or kindness". The events proved that he never recieved "sympothy, respect or kindness".

Acts like these are not justifiable but however they are preventable.

Anyone who is capable of doing these types of things do not deserve anyhting in my view. I don't care about cause or effect. Plenty of people have crap happen to them in their lives they dont go out and kill innocent people because of it.

political renagade · 09-13-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Anyone who is capable of doing these types of things do not deserve anyhting in my view. I don't care about cause or effect. Plenty of people have crap happen to them in their lives they dont go out and kill innocent people because of it.

Ya but even if they don't deserve your time of day, The lives of innocent people could have been saved if we gave it to them anyways.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by political renagade

Ya but even if they don't deserve your time of day, The lives of innocent people could have been saved if we gave it to them anyways.

Jesus H. Christ. Someone's daughter/sister/lover is lying dead in a police morgue right now. Hell, the victim was in her 20s -- she may very well be someone's MOTHER.

All we hear from you is how being nicer to the weird kids will solve everything.

Grow the hell up.

HelloHockeyFans · 09-13-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

The question I have is: what is it about Montreal that causes this type of thing? This is the second time this has happened, the first time being that women's college where women were slaughtered. Don't get me wrong, I mean it's not the only place in the world where bad things happen, but in Canada, it doesn't happen often, and in Montreal, that's twice, and once was too many.

I'd say because Montreal has the second largest population in Canada. More people, higher likelihood that these types of things happen.

Reggie Dunlop · 09-13-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

The question I have is: what is it about Montreal that causes this type of thing? This is the second time this has happened, the first time being that women's college where women were slaughtered. Don't get me wrong, I mean it's not the only place in the world where bad things happen, but in Canada, it doesn't happen often, and in Montreal, that's twice, and once was too many.

Happened in Taber. Can happen anywhere.

Philly06Cup · 09-13-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Anyone who is capable of doing these types of things do not deserve anyhting in my view. I don't care about cause or effect. Plenty of people have crap happen to them in their lives they dont go out and kill innocent people because of it.

You have a very twisted way of justifying things. You're essentially saying if a social outcast was bullied, and later shoots the people who picked on him, those bullies were justified in their bullying because the guy was a psycho. That's like saying its okay to break a TV, because the TV is broken, because you broke it. Your justifications are circular and absurd. In the end no one wins.

Mental health is a issue that needs to be addressed. If a kid has a contagious bird flu, if someone knows about it, panic would ensue to make sure s/he is quarantined and treated. Likewise, there should be more concern for oft-ignored mental health concerns like depression and anger management, or whatever else it may be.