[News] Ovechkin breaks Federov's record for most goals by a Russian player

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

wtf are you talking about?

Federov played Defense with Larry Murphy and Forward with everyone.

How on earth can you shelter a forward by making them play defence?

Fedorov played defence for a 10-15 game stretch with the Wings and Larry Murphy.

How does that even come into play in a comment on the fact that he did not generally face the top defensive assignments for a decent portion of the other 1200+ NHL games he played?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lemieux was IMO the greatest player in the history of the NHL but I don't see what that has to do with anything here as I'm not saying Ovechkin is a better player or goal scorer.

But you did say

Nobody has been better at scoring goals than Ovechkin over the last few decades

which means that you believe Ovi is a better goal scorer than Lemieux.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Fedorov played defence for a 10-15 game stretch with the Wings and Larry Murphy.

How does that even come into play in a comment on the fact that he did not generally face the top defensive assignments for a decent portion of the other 1200+ NHL games he played?

I don't understand how playing behind Stevie Y means you're getting sheltered minutes.

Was everyone on Detroit not on the first line receiving sheltered minutes or just Federov?

[CroFlames]

I wonder if puck #484 goes to the Russian sports/hockey hall of fame (I assume they have one), the Toronto HHOF, or if Ovi keeps it?

The plot thickens.

[Tinordi]

Ovechkin is an all time great. Enjoy it.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't understand how playing behind Stevie Y means you're getting sheltered minutes.

Was everyone on Detroit not on the first line receiving sheltered minutes or just Federov?

Fedorov was a first line player on 99% of the other teams in the league and would have been drawing the top defensive assignment night in and night out. Playing on a stacked team in Detroit, made that so it wasn't a reality for him until he went to Anaheim.

I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, but Ovechkin didn't have that luxury. Night in and night out, he's 100% the focus of the other team. I'm not sure Fedorov would have been so successful had he been in that position.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by adc

From the top 20 list these guys were all better than average defensive guys:

Messier, Yzerman (2nd part of his career), Shannahan, Sakic.

There are many guys on the list that aren't the absolute zero's defensively that Ovechkin is as well.

Trottier is 16th and was a really good two way player. 5th place Ron Francis was pretty good (Selke winner).

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Feds played almost 20 years so he got to be the leader through longevity as he never hit 50 goals and was more of a 30 goal player. Still excellent player but not what I would classify as one of the top goalscorers of all time.

He scored 56 in 93-94 and won the Hart trophy

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

5 years ago I could understand some saying that

There are very few players, if any who have done as much for the game on and off the ice and over the last 5 years he has matured into an extremely respectable player.

Originally Posted by AcGold

Subban and Ovechkin are two legitimate role models for children or athletes. Finding something bad to say about them is nitpicking at the best the league has to offer.

Ovechkin didn't show much respect when he was in Calgary this year, coming onto the ice after intermission and skating into the Flames zone pretending to deke and shoot on Ramo. I have never seen that happen in all my years of watching hockey.

Unsportsmanlike and showed a serious lack of class. Lost a lot of respect for him after that.

Still pissed off that a Flame didn't feed him his teeth.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Ovechkin didn't show much respect when he was in Calgary this year, coming onto the ice after intermission and skating into the Flames zone pretending to deke and shoot on Ramo. I have never seen that happen in all my years of watching hockey.

Unsportsmanlike and showed a serious lack of class. Lost a lot of respect for him after that.

Still pissed off that a Flame didn't feed him his teeth.

He did the identical thing in Vancouver. I found myself at that game and paid special attention to see if he would do it. And he did. And no one did jack about it.

Turns out there actually is a penalty for that clearly stated in the rules.

[timbit]

Perhaps in the minority here but Bossy is the best and purest goal scorer I have seen .
Incredibly quick release and his mind's eye almost always had the puck hitting the open space.

[username]

Originally Posted by troutman

NHL all-time goal per game leaders:

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/recor...e-leaders.html

Bossy 0.762
Mario 0.754

Not to nit pick, but really that doesn't tell the whole story. Production drops off as guys get older so Ovi will drop down that list as he gets older......

[darthma]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

He's still a goof.

Like that time he kept begging for the car at the all-star game. Soooo selfish! Geez. No class at all...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=36295

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by timbit

Perhaps in the minority here but Bossy is the best and purest goal scorer I have seen .
Incredibly quick release and his mind's eye almost always had the puck hitting the open space.

Anybody that watched Mike Bossy play certainly wouldn't put up much of an argument.

The guy was unreal. 9 straight years of 50+ goals. I still remember the front of the hockey news when he did it in his 9th year.

If not for his bad back which forced him to retire at the age of 30, who knows where he would have ended up all time.

573 goals in 752 games. His .762 goals a game leads the NHL history books.

Ovechkins 484 in 777 is very impressive indeed, especially playing in this era. His .623 goals a game is good for 5th in NHL history at this point.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Feds played almost 20 years so he got to be the leader through longevity as he never hit 50 goals and was more of a 30 goal player. Still excellent player but not what I would classify as one of the top goalscorers of all time.

Sure he did, in his Hart + Selke 1 + Pearson winning season in 93-94. Finished 3rd in goal scoring behind Bure and Hull with 56 to their 60 each, and 2nd in overall scoring with 120 points. I remember it largely because I collected, like, all the McDonald's hockey cards that year for some reason.

Frankly, Fedorov's totals are pretty impressive as a large part of his career was in the dead puck era and he was consistently a 2nd line center behind Yzerman, splitting ice time and PP ice time with other big stars.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Anybody that watched Mike Bossy play certainly wouldn't put up much of an argument.

The guy was unreal. 9 straight years of 50+ goals. I still remember the front of the hockey news when he did it in his 9th year.

If not for his bad back which forced him to retire at the age of 30, who knows where he would have ended up all time.

573 goals in 752 games. His .762 goals a game leads the NHL history books.

Ovechkins 484 in 777 is very impressive indeed, especially playing in this era. His .623 goals a game is good for 5th in NHL history at this point.

Gretzky outscored Bossy in goals in almost every year of Bossy’s career.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by username

Not to nit pick, but really that doesn't tell the whole story. Production drops off as guys get older so Ovi will drop down that list as he gets older......

Yeah, it's sort of how people seem to misinterpret the fact that when Lemieux first retired he had a higher PPG than Gretzky as some sort of argument that had he stayed healthy he would have beat his records. Gretzky's PPG fell the last half of his career each year, but at any stage of their respective careers Gretzky had been outscoring Lemieux by a decent margin. Regardless of how you feel about them as players (i.e. who's better), there's no real argument to say that Lemieux would have matched Gretzky's point totals.

Anyways, for their first 10 seasons in the NHL (regardless of age):
Gretzky: 0.82 goals per game
Lemieux: 0.82 goals per game
Bossy: 0.76 goals per game
Hull: 0.74 goals per game
Bure: 0.65 goals per game
Kurri: 063 goals per game
Ovechkin: 0.63 goals per game

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Ovechkin didn't show much respect when he was in Calgary this year, coming onto the ice after intermission and skating into the Flames zone pretending to deke and shoot on Ramo. I have never seen that happen in all my years of watching hockey.

Unsportsmanlike and showed a serious lack of class. Lost a lot of respect for him after that.

Still pissed off that a Flame didn't feed him his teeth.

If you can lose respect for someone who has done as much as Ovi over something like that then I assume you have lost respect for a ton of players in this league.

Players shooting a puck at the other net once most of the other team has left the ice or players (Ferland) skating close enough to the red line as they circle in practice to bump another player happens quite often.

Someone on the flames should have done something about it but at the end of the day, that is Ovis personality. He wasn't harming anyone and was perhaps getting under the skin of the flames. Who knows, maybe he did something similar when he set another record and was superstitious.

Interestingly enough, at the lunch with Burke today he mentioned his favorite player in the league is Crosby and only 1 other player was brought into the conversation for what he has done for the game - Ovechkin.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sure he did, in his Hart + Selke 1 + Pearson winning season in 93-94. Finished 3rd in goal scoring behind Bure and Hull with 56 to their 60 each, and 2nd in overall scoring with 120 points. I remember it largely because I collected, like, all the McDonald's hockey cards that year for some reason.

Frankly, Fedorov's totals are pretty impressive as a large part of his career was in the dead puck era and he was consistently a 2nd line center behind Yzerman, splitting ice time and PP ice time with other big stars.

He was a fantastic player for sure but I don't consider him a pure goal scorer in the same mold as Ovechkin, Hull, Bossy, etc. Better overall player but not a more pure goal scorer.

[username]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yeah, it's sort of how people seem to misinterpret the fact that when Lemieux first retired he had a higher PPG than Gretzky as some sort of argument that had he stayed healthy he would have beat his records. Gretzky's PPG fell the last half of his career each year, but at any stage of their respective careers Gretzky had been outscoring Lemieux by a decent margin. Regardless of how you feel about them as players (i.e. who's better), there's no real argument to say that Lemieux would have matched Gretzky's point totals.

Anyways, for their first 10 seasons in the NHL (regardless of age):
Gretzky: 0.82 goals per game
Lemieux: 0.82 goals per game
Bossy: 0.76 goals per game
Hull: 0.74 goals per game
Bure: 0.65 goals per game
Kurri: 063 goals per game
Ovechkin: 0.63 goals per game

Exactly, thanks for posting this!