You see, I feel all this sympathy and defend Muslims but when #### like that happens during a general gathering of normal muslims, it makes it really hard to remember why. Shows that this hate they have towards the west extends into some of the general muslim population, and not just the extreme right.
That is disgusting. I mean what kind of a ####ed up human being would do that?
To think the Turks are considered "allies" against ISIL
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That video totally puts carpet bombing the whole region back on the table. That is the most offensive thing I have seen. I am actually angry right now.
Bah. I don't mean that. But ####.
Man, MMF is so right about you. You gotta learn to calm down, you're so ****ing up and down with the wind. I get that you explained yourself after, but that's a horrendous, inhumane comment to make. Brutal.
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Take, for example, this article on Turkish-Football.com. It makes two cases as explaining the Turkish fans’ behavior that paints it in a less negative light.
First, the writer notes that in the aftermath of the bombing of Turkey’s capital Ankara that took over 100 lives and injured more than 400 others just over a month ago, there weren’t any similar shows of solidarity during international matches. The boos, as distasteful as the writer admits they were, could’ve reflected Turkish fans’ frustration of that lack of consistency.
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Furthermore, the article points out that during a moment of silence in Turkey for those very Ankara bombings, fans also chimed in by booing. The point being, fans there rarely sit through moments of silence quietly, and the boos of yesterday weren’t necessarily any more callous or mean-spirited than usual.
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The more important clarification the article makes is that the chants of “Martyrs never die, the country will never be divided” and the reported cries of “Allahu Akbar” were in no way meant to show support to the perpetrators of the Paris attacks. According to the writer, the former slogan is actually a common anti-terrorism chant expressing a sentiment that no matter what kind of attacks Turkey faces, it will remain as one. It too was chanted during the moment of silence after the Ankara bombings. As for “Allahu Akbar,” the article points to another popular chant that, while nationalistic in origin, has become a typical “Let’s Go Team!” type of thing.
The article closes with this, pointing out how the behavior of the fans—as intentionally insulting or not, and to potentially varying degrees—doesn’t mean that the country as a whole was silent on the suffering of those in Paris
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Whoa whoa whoa; this isn't the place for rational understanding of the underlying meaning of what they were chanting and how it was in defiance of terrorism. Those turban wearing burka lovers need to be carpet bombed!
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Whoa whoa whoa; this isn't the place for rational understanding of the underlying meaning of what they were chanting and how it was in defiance of terrorism. Those turban wearing burka lovers need to be carpet bombed!
Umm I don't think you're right. Sounds like they boo'd, then chanted Allahu Akbar. Turkeys coach even slammed the fans after the game
Umm I don't think you're right. Sounds like they boo'd, then chanted Allahu Akbar. Turkeys coach even slammed the fans after the game
"Allahu Akbar" is such a ubiquitous chant in Muslim nations, used for everything from expressing shock, excitement, mourning, grief, joy, rage to celebrating momentous achievements, and, in this case, saying "Go Turkey Go," that it's a little ridiculous to ascribe a particular meaning to it.
If Flames fans drowned out the US anthem with "Go Flames Go" during, lets say a Western Conference Final game vs the Blackhawks, it would be tacky, but hardly worth getting one's knickers in a twist.
Was it totally innocent? Of course not. Are the few people in the crowd who participated huge A-holes? Obviously yes. Should we carpet-bomb the Islamic world? Obviously not.
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"Allahu Akbar" is such a ubiquitous chant in Muslim nations, used for everything from expressing shock, excitement, mourning, grief, joy, rage to celebrating momentous achievements, and, in this case, saying "Go Turkey Go," that it's a little ridiculous to ascribe a particular meaning to it.
If Flames fans drowned out the US anthem with "Go Flames Go" during, lets say a Western Conference Final game vs the Blackhawks, it would be tacky, but hardly worth getting one's knickers in a twist.
Was it totally innocent? Of course not. Are the few people in the crowd who participated huge A-holes? Obviously yes. Should we carpet-bomb the Islamic world? Obviously not.
It was more the statement that they were saying it to denounce terrorism. That's likely not true. Also, many different reports that it was booing along with the chant, which gives a little better idea of intent. We don't know how many people are booing or chanting though.
And of course carpet bombing is stupid. Doesn't mean we suddenly have to defend what shouldn't be defended. It's that kind of closed mindedness that prevents both sides from honestly examining this issue
It was more the statement that they were saying it to denounce terrorism. That's likely not true. Also, many different reports that it was booing along with the chant, which gives a little better idea of intent. We don't know how many people are booing or chanting though.
And of course carpet bombing is stupid. Doesn't mean we suddenly have to defend what shouldn't be defended. It's that kind of closed mindedness that prevents both sides from honestly examining this issue
I know you like to play the role of mediator in lots of threads and find middle ground on every argument, but all driveway said was it's maybe not as bad as it seems and supported it with an article. Not defending it by any stretch. There's only one poster who overreacted to this news.
I know you like to play the role of mediator in lots of threads and find middle ground on every argument, but all driveway said was it's maybe not as bad as it seems and supported it with an article. Not defending it by any stretch. There's only one poster who overreacted to this news.
Overreacting would also be defending the people booing by coming up saying they were chanting in defiance of terrorism.
I did over react but I dont buy that excuse. Chanting and booing during that is not okay.
The crowd chanted during the moment of silence for a bombing that happened in Turkey it's entirely possible that we're looking at this situation through the lens of cultural relativism. The "moment of silence" is a pretty sacred cow in the West, it may not be so in Muslim countries.
Again, the people who chose to boo and whistle: huge a-holes. Not defending that, merely pointing out that this isn't a good example of something descriptive of even a large minority of Turks.
Just going to leave this here. Depressing, but necessary.
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Well, as the article also says, the Greek National anthem was booed.
Look no further then the incidents of Canadiens fans at the Bell Centre booing the US national anthem over the past 15 years.
And the Ultras for any football club, national or otherwise, aren't quite the talismans of morality when it comes to chants and/or behavior in the terraces.
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Nobody booed the US anthem after 9/11. That being said, this is a relatively minor and superficial incident and getting really emotional and worked up about it betrays a lack of perspective in my opinion.
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Yeah, the booing is hard to interpret as positive. I think most people would be like "why do I give a hookah about 129 Europeans. This happens everyday around here. Booo".
A bunch of Bosnians booed during the moment of silence at an Irish soccer game too. I'm sure they got the hooligan treatment after though.
