2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I made one of those comments because I'm confused to your blind infatuation with this guy. If Treliving wanted size so bad, he'd just dress Kanzig or trade for Ben Street or get any other really big guy. The Flames need a top 6 guy with big size, not just size. You could have a line up of guys all over 6'6" and be terrible. Having big players isn't nearly as important as you're making it out to be, if Treliving agreed, he wouldn't have such a small team to begin with.DSP is a third line guy who can put up 20 points, he isn't garbage by any stretch but he isn't a difference maker like some think he is. I asked what you think he'd get on the open market if he was a UFA because I don't think he'd get that much. If that doesn't make you think differently about him then ask how good the team would actually be if they had a 20 point guy in their top 6? He's valuable and I'd trade one of our current project 3-4 line guys for him but I wouldn't give up a prospect who could be more for him. You really seem like the one who's "butthurt" over DSP because people don't agree with your claim that he's anything more than a 3rd line guy.

What infatuation do I have with him? You are the one making up this overvaluation. Who has said he would be a difference maker?

I said he would fit in with this line-up because he offers size and can play a regular shift. The reason you don't have Kanzig in the line-up is because he can't play a regular shift. Ben Street doesn't offer near the same physical play that Smith-Pelly does and it's doubtful he plays at the same level of play in other areas.

I don't think he would be in the top 6, I don't think the Flames should move important pieces for him but if they can move one of their excess of b level prospects at the AHL level then that is a move I would make.

I think he is a 3rd line guy so why would I be butthurt if people agree with that?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL we already have Bollig why would we want a very minor upgrade in Devante Smith-Pelly? You can only have so many big bodied guys that are below average NHL players on your roster.

It seems to me that Pelly is vastly overrated by many.

[GoJetsGo]

And moon'd.

[The Yen Man]

I wouldn't mind Varlamov, just because I don't think it'd cost a lot to get him. But I would stay away from Duchene. The Avs will want an arm and a leg for the guy, and I'm not willing to give up any core pieces to get him. Lets just develop what we have so far.

[GB70]

let's say no with varlamov, and no to dsp. Neither are upgrades over what we have. marginal / lateral upgrades if anything. Rather take the hit and deal with St. Loius for Backes who does fill more of a need.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by adc

What infatuation do I have with him? You are the one making up this overvaluation. Who has said he would be a difference maker?

I said he would fit in with this line-up because he offers size and can play a regular shift. The reason you don't have Kanzig in the line-up is because he can't play a regular shift. Ben Street doesn't offer near the same physical play that Smith-Pelly does and it's doubtful he plays at the same level of play in other areas.

I don't think he would be in the top 6, I don't think the Flames should move important pieces for him but if they can move one of their excess of b level prospects at the AHL level then that is a move I would make.

I think he is a 3rd line guy so why would I be butthurt if people agree with that?

I am thinking it is more that you don't think much of Porier than you value DSP?DSP is at best going to be a 3rd liner from what he has shown so far. Again doesn't add much to the Flames and potentially sits in the pressbox when everyone is healthy.

DSP topped out at a whopping 66pts in 67 games in junior and had a decent second year pro going with for 43pts in 55 games in the AHL.

Last year as 22 year old he scored 20pts in the NHL. He turns 24 at the end of this season where he is on pace for 25pts

Porier was a first round pick 3 years later than DSP was drafted and is 2.5 years younger. Porier had 2 seasons with more points that DSP's highest in junior topping out at 87 in 63 games the year after he was drafted. He then scores a similar 42pts in 55 games as a19 year old rookie.

I think at worst Porier develops in what DSP has shown but the upside is higher as he has shown a scoring touch at other levels and is 2.5 years younger. The Flames are not looking for a bottom 6 checker who can play a regular shift. They need a top 6 forward and hopefully they have one in Porier

[IgiTang]

Smith-Pelley is not what this team needs.

This team needs another game breaker. One more to take the pressure off Gaudreau and now Bennett.

I like the idea of kicking the tires on Backes.
But what other game breakers could be had.

Lets be honest, if we got a 20-25 yo game breaking forward, any prospect would be available.

To think someone would rather hold onto Poirier or Klimchuk or any one of our D prospects over someone who can come in and be a threat every shift and put up 50+ pts, is just silly.

But who fits that mold? Would someone between 25-30 be OK?

Would any of Couture, Okposo, Backes, Koivu, Granlund, and to a lesser extent even Kadri make any sense? If so, what would the cost be?

[Harry Lime]

St. Louis is committed to Statsney, Lehtera, and Berglund/Fabbri down the middle, and it's making Backes expendable. It is his UFA year, and would be looking for a raise from 4.5M. He has had his name mentioned in trades for a year now.

St. Louis needs wingers. They are solid at centre, defense, and goal. The obvious name to float is Backlund, with his international experience playing with Berglund. Clear that Calgary would have to add, and commit to signing Backes, which probably means losing Hudler (to trade or UFA). Long term, Backes also plays RW and is 31 years old.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I say target Steve Mason. Looks like Nuiverth is close to playing himself into that number one spot and Mason is much better than his record and stats have shown.

[Poe969]

I guess it depends on what kind of contract he'd be looking for but Okposo would be an amazing addition to the Flames. I've always liked JVR too.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Smith-Pelley is not what this team needs.

This team needs another game breaker. One more to take the pressure off Gaudreau and now Bennett.

I like the idea of kicking the tires on Backes.
But what other game breakers could be had.

Lets be honest, if we got a 20-25 yo game breaking forward, any prospect would be available.

To think someone would rather hold onto Poirier or Klimchuk or any one of our D prospects over someone who can come in and be a threat every shift and put up 50+ pts, is just silly.

But who fits that mold? Would someone between 25-30 be OK?

Would any of Couture, Okposo, Backes, Koivu, Granlund, and to a lesser extent even Kadri make any sense? If so, what would the cost be?

This seems like Duchene would fit the bill. If the Flames give up a Porier/Klimchuck/Jankowski and a Kylington/Anderson I would be okay with that as Duchene is a great fit for the next 5-10 years

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This seems like Duchene would fit the bill. If the Flames give up a Porier/Klimchuck/Jankowski and a Kylington/Anderson I would be okay with that as Duchene is a great fit for the next 5-10 years

Funny you say that. The entire time I was typing that post, I was thinking Duchene and was expecting to get flamed for it so didn't bother stirring the pot.

But I fully agree.

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Originally Posted by IgiTang

Would any of Couture, Okposo, Backes, Koivu, Granlund, and to a lesser extent even Kadri make any sense? If so, what would the cost be?

Koivu and Granlund are leading the Wild in ice time for forwards and are key pieces for them. They aren't rebuilding so no reason they would move them for prospects or lesser prospects.

I know people will freak if I say any of the 3 forwards or Brodie so maybe you convince them to trade one of those guys for Gio but they already have a decent top 4 and not sure they want to add that contract.

Can't imagine SJ would move Couture but if they did you are looking at Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett or Brodie.

NYI are looking to win sooner or later but maybe willing to look at a Hudler plus top prospect for Okposo.

Backes is a key guy for St. Louis but if they are looking at a shake up he may be another guy that they are looking at a Hudler plus a prospect type deal.

Kadri is the one guy on that list that I could see going for a prospect only deal but I am not sure another small-ish, soft winger is what Treliving would be looking to add at this point.

[Hackey]

No to Kadri. Team needs more grit and size. Backes I don't mind but seeing that he is going to want a big pay day and will be 32 at seasons end I wouldn't give up a ton. Okposo is asking for too much money and I don't think he's worth the 7 million he's been rumored to be asking for. Plus the assets it doesn't make a lot of sense. Couture would be amazing but he ain't coming cheap. He's the type of player I wouldn't mind paying a steep price for though.

[Vinny01]

Kadri plays with some edge so I wouldn't be totally opposed to him if the price was right

[Poe969]

Isn't Couture the captain or something in San Jose? The guy is amazing and for all the reasons we'd want him, they'd want to keep him. I think there's 0% chance of him moving. Kadri is small and just doesn't seem that good.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Isn't Couture the captain or something in San Jose? The guy is amazing and for all the reasons we'd want him, they'd want to keep him. I think there's 0% chance of him moving. Kadri is small and just doesn't seem that good.

Pavelski is the captain. Pretty sure Couture is an alternate.

[hockey.modern]

@NicholsOnHockey: (Feb. 13, 2015) Friedman on how #Flames were in on the Evander Kane, Tyler Myers trade talks. #NHLJets #Sabres https://t.co/2Dg7T4ptKe

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

@NicholsOnHockey: (Feb. 13, 2015) Friedman on how #Flames were in on the Evander Kane, Tyler Myers trade talks. #NHLJets #Sabres https://t.co/2Dg7T4ptKe

So what point are you making? Treliving is in on everything?

[sureLoss]

Yeah confused about why you would post a rumor from February 13, 2015.