2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Split98

Personally, I hope Varlamov is no-where near our locker room

Edit:
Context for my opinion: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=689289

This is so vague I don't know how you can come to any conclusion based on this. Has it been reported what "actually" happened? Something a little less general. Guy would definitely be an upgrade on what we have. Would also love to see us land Duchene but as others have said the price is likely pretty high. If anyone could swing it I would trust Treliving too though.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Poirier has top six scoring upside. As Crumpy pointed out, the Flames don't make that trade unless they're sure he'll pan out to be a 3rd line winger that puts up 30 or less points a year. Just because he was taken at 22th OA doesn't mean he's relegated to becoming a bottom 6 NHLer, especially when the 2013 draft was very deep.

And from Montreal's POV, they would be trading for a guy who might not even stick as an NHLer.

The point is, if the Flames want to get bigger - want more guys 6'3"+ who can skate, play a heavy game, and take a regular shift - they're either going to have to draft them, or give up real assets to get them. Since I see few players in the system who fit that bill, I expect at some point here we'll see quality assets moved out to change the complexion of the team.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Duchene isn't worth more than any of those guys except maybe Bennett. Duchene is a good player but also pretty overrated. He's looking more and more like a good #2 center rather than a true #1 guy.

He may or may not be but he is 24 with a season of 67 and 71 points under his belt, made the Canadian Olympic team on merit a year and a half ago, is decent at worst defensively, plays center and has no reports of being bad in the room.

There may be questions from some people about him being a #2 center, I think evidence shows he is more likely a number 1 but the list of guys his age or younger with his accomplishments is pretty short.

The Avs aren't going to trade him for a poo poo platter of Flames crap. Sakic and Roy aren't Flames fans that are willing to take back a package of nothing to help the Flames have a cool core to build around.

[sureLoss]

Duchene to the predators for a guy like Josi makes a lot of sense for both teams iMO.

But unlikely to happen as they are division rivals.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In my proposal the Flames give up a recent first round pick who was an AHL all star at 19, a first round pick and a solid 3rd line C to play behind Mackinnon and Soderberg. We all know the Avs love ex-Flames as well.

If we could protect that first rounder to be a top 10 selection for 2016 and add Russell I would do that as well.

Simply no to trading one of the Flames 3 young stud forwards.

Why would the Avs do that though?

To get decent value Poirier and the pick would have to really out play their projections just to come close to making it worth their while.

Duchene at 19 was putting up better numbers in the NHL than Poirier just did in his AHL all-star season. Backlund has shown year after year that he doesn't have the offensive upside to be more than a 3rd line guy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by adc

He may or may not be but he is 24 with a season of 67 and 71 points under his belt, made the Canadian Olympic team on merit a year and a half ago, is decent at worst defensively, plays center and has no reports of being bad in the room.

There may be questions from some people about him being a #2 center, I think evidence shows he is more likely a number 1 but the list of guys his age or younger with his accomplishments is pretty short.

The Avs aren't going to trade him for a poo poo platter of Flames crap. Sakic and Roy aren't Flames fans that are willing to take back a package of nothing to help the Flames have a cool core to build around.

Roy and Sakic appear to be flames fans as the team is littered with former players from the organization. Iginla, Tanguay, Stuart, Comeau, Street, Berra and they came close to signing Glencross in the summer.

They also make pretty bad trades. The Berra deal, RoR deal, Stuart trade are all bad moves.

Duchene has put up numbers consistent with a top end 2nd line centre. Last year he had 55pts and this year 6 in 14 games. He appears to have a decent year or 2 and then stumbles rather than takes a step forward.

Flames won't be sending a poo poo platter to get him but could offer some intriguing assets without touching the core 6 players.

Too bad we didn't have DSP in our line up we could probably get Duchene straight up if we did

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by adc

Why would the Avs do that though?

To get decent value Poirier and the pick would have to really out play their projections just to come close to making it worth their while.

Duchene at 19 was putting up better numbers in the NHL than Poirier just did in his AHL all-star season. Backlund has shown year after year that he doesn't have the offensive upside to be more than a 3rd line guy.

Yeah the Avs probably don't bite on that but I wouldn't be so sure they would clean up on a trade offer.

Dougie was worth a top 3 pick prior to the draft in many people's minds. Fans rarely know the true value of other players so if Duchene is moved it will be interesting to see the return. I think if he is traded it will be out east.

[Phanuthier]

Wow huge fall from grace, last off season the Avs were supposed to be the "best young talent / team in the NHL" ... now rebuilding the rebuild?

[adc]

I hope our 2nd line center has seasons of 70, 67 and 43 in 48 games point totals. He had a "poor year" last where he still had 21 goals and 55 points and is off to s slow start now I doubt that erases what he has already shown or drops him down to 2nd line center status.

[adc]

lol @ the Devante Smith-Pelly butthurt.

It is mentioned he can help the team and adds something that Treliving is looking for and now people need to spin that into some sort of made up overvaluing of him.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by adc

lol @ the Devante Smith-Pelly butthurt.

It is mentioned he can help the team and adds something that Treliving is looking for and now people need to spin that into some sort of made up overvaluing of him.

I think people are saying that we have a lot of pretty good 3rd/4th liners already, so why would we give up a promising prospect for him? Really makes no sense at all. We need top 6

[Stanley]

Oh man, my Iggy-hatin', french canadian Habs fan dad would lose his isht if Iginla were to go to Montreal...

[adc]

Originally Posted by heep223

I think people are saying that we have a lot of pretty good 3rd/4th liners already, so why would we give up a promising prospect for him? Really makes no sense at all. We need top 6

That's fine its more of the "too bad we don't have DSP to trade for Duchene straight up" or why do some people value DSP so highly comments that I was referring to.

Trading a Poirier type player for DSP isn't overvaluing him.

[Flash Walken]

Is there a deal to be done between the Canes and the Avs I wonder?

Something revolving around Duchene for Faulk?

[ResAlien]

Has Montreal given any indication they're anxious to move a player they just picked up or is this simply a time killer argument until actual rumours show up again? So wheird.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Has Montreal given any indication they're anxious to move a player they just picked up or is this simply a time killer argument until actual rumours show up again? So wheird.

Someone posted they would trade Poirier for Smith pelly. No one has reported that Smith Pelly is available.

[adc]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Has Montreal given any indication they're anxious to move a player they just picked up or is this simply a time killer argument until actual rumours show up again? So wheird.

I think it started with the speculation that Montreal would overpay to get a French Canadian prospect and then looking at the roster and who they would trade and that the Flames might want Smith-Pelly's name came up.

Since Montreal has questions of their own about size and toughness up front my guess is that they would prefer to keep Smith-Pelly on their team at this point.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by adc

That's fine its more of the "too bad we don't have DSP to trade for Duchene straight up" or why do some people value DSP so highly comments that I was referring to.

Trading a Poirier type player for DSP isn't overvaluing him.

I made one of those comments because I'm confused to your blind infatuation with this guy. If Treliving wanted size so bad, he'd just dress Kanzig or trade for Ben Street or get any other really big guy. The Flames need a top 6 guy with big size, not just size. You could have a line up of guys all over 6'6" and be terrible. Having big players isn't nearly as important as you're making it out to be, if Treliving agreed, he wouldn't have such a small team to begin with. DSP is a third line guy who can put up 20 points, he isn't garbage by any stretch but he isn't a difference maker like some think he is. I asked what you think he'd get on the open market if he was a UFA because I don't think he'd get that much. If that doesn't make you think differently about him then ask how good the team would actually be if they had a 20 point guy in their top 6? He's valuable and I'd trade one of our current project 3-4 line guys for him but I wouldn't give up a prospect who could be more for him. You really seem like the one who's "butthurt" over DSP because people don't agree with your claim that he's anything more than a 3rd line guy.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by adc

I think it started with the speculation that Montreal would overpay to get a French Canadian prospect and then looking at the roster and who they would trade and that the Flames might want Smith-Pelly's name came up.

Since Montreal has questions of their own about size and toughness up front my guess is that they would prefer to keep Smith-Pelly on their team at this point.

Ya think? I'm pretty sure the team with the best record in the league isn't chomping at the bit to make changes right now.

Unrelated to that are the Avs hoping to retool on the fly or kickstart another rebuild? I can't imagine why they'd ship out Varlamov, it's not like Berra or Pickard are gonna carry the mail.

[Erick Estrada]

LOL we already have Bollig why would we want a very minor upgrade in Devante Smith-Pelly? You can only have so many big bodied guys that are below average NHL players on your roster.