Karri Ramo on waivers UPDATE: Clears, assigned to Stockton

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Ramo has cleared waivers

Welcome to 15 minutes ago.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know we all love Treliving but he has made severa bad free agent signings in the last couple years. Ramo, Raymond, Engellend make up $10M of cap space that might all be buried in the minors or press box

Ehhhh, I don't know.

Engelland should really be out of conversations entirely. He was a signing to get to the cap floor, and has played quite well of late.

Raymond was absolutely a more positive signing when it was made than it is today. It's more on Raymond than it is on Treliving that he hasn't played to his contract. After his stint in Toronto, I doubt Treliving was the only GM in that ballpark with Mason. Is it higher than he could have played to? Perhaps. But certainly so high I get upset with Treliving over it.

The Ramo signing was fine. It created a 'three-headed-monster', sure. But I don't think anyone predicted Hiller and Ramo playing as poorly as they have. That makes the decision of who to keep more difficult, as well as throwing a wrench into the 'trade the odd man out' plan. But in the end, it was a calculated risk with nothing to lose cap-wise. Ramo's cap isn't going to hurt us this year.

Can't say I'm too upset with Treliving through any of this. Could the 3-headed-monster have caused confidence issues? Sure. But I'd rather have goalies in net that strive to be the best of the 3 than 2 goalies struggling when pressure mounts.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know we all love Treliving but he has made severa bad free agent signings in the last couple years. Ramo, Raymond, Engellend make up $10M of cap space that might all be buried in the minors or press box

Engelland was and is a good signing. He provides muscle for our small defence that sometimes gets pushed around.

Raymond was signed at a time that there were no guarantees that Gaudreau would turn out as good as he has. I'd say this was probably his worse signing though.

Ramo was to provide competition for Hiller. He'd shown last season that he could do this. That they both failed isn't Treliving's fault and Ramo was signed for only one year so it's not much of a problem.

[SuperMatt18]

Ramo isn't that bad since it was a 1-year contract. The $ value was too expensive, but probably the price we needed to pay to keep it a 1-year deal.

Raymond was an overpayment from the start, fell for the average player on a terrible Leafs team trick, but was a team that needed warm bodies at the time and he fit the bill. Really it is just 1-year too long.

Engelland is overpaid but since Gio's injury last year actually hasn't been too bad. I actually kind of like him as our number 6, he provides physicality which is missing with the rest of our d-core.

[Phanuthier]

I have no problems with any of the signings

Engelland - considering his play last year when Gio went down, not sure why people are down. Also, Hartley/Tre have both said he brings a lot more than whats on the ice.

Raymond - without competition, do our prospects compete as hard as they do? cause and effect thing... maybe Raymond doesn't do much, but I get why he was signed.

Ramo - at worst, he is a waste of cap space for 1 years, and this year its not a problem. So no big deal.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by codynw

If there's an injury, I'd rather have Ramo called up than Gillies. That's the security.

my point was that even if Ramo got claimed we could always get a guy like Budaj or the like and it wouldn't make a difference

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Engelland was and is a good signing. He provides muscle for our small defence that sometimes gets pushed around.

Raymond was signed at a time that there were no guarantees that Gaudreau would turn out as good as he has. I'd say this was probably his worse signing though.

Ramo was to provide competition for Hiller. He'd shown last season that he could do this. That they both failed isn't Treliving's fault and Ramo was signed for only one year so it's not much of a problem.

The moves were not great. I know they tried to keep Cammy and Raymond was plan B. Coming off a 45pt season the deal made sense it just sucks that he has failed to perform (was on a PTO before the 45pt year)

Engellend has played well but once the D is healthy is there a fit? Brodie, Hamilton, Wideman all play the right side, Gio, Russell, Smid on the left. Any way you look at it there will be a very expensive Dman in the press box every night.

Ramo was plan B, C or D. It was obvious Treliving wanted to add a goalie this summer and when that failed he kept Ramo and tried to trade Hiller, when that failed he kept both. Nearly $9M on 2 pretty mediocre goalies.

None of these were catastrophic blunders. It does suck that we still have Raymond and Engellend on the books next year but again not extremely long term.

The other key IMO was the fact last year was highly unexpected. When the flames made those deals they likely didn't anticipate having to pay Gaudreau top $ or be in position to acquire Hamilton when they did and then spend to buy Frolik in free agency which has put a cap crunch on the team likely a year before they figured

[sureLoss]

Official:

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
The #Flames have assigned Karri Ramo to the @AHLHeat ~

[Iveman]

I like Ramo. I hope he finds his game again and another team takes interest in him.

[Icon]

So I presume Ramo's playing backup to Gilles? Don't really want Gilles working the door all year.

[edslunch]

Brad screwed up on this one but good on him for owning it and moving on

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by codynw

Welcome to 15 minutes ago.

15 minutes ago?!?How can you be so sure?

https://amp.twimg.com/v/c5962daf-eaf...4-968970e6259c

#BTTF
#GreatScott

[mrkajz44]

Conspiracy theory: We signed Ramo to such a large contract so we could send him to the minors without losing him on waivers because no one would want that contract. We use him to a veteran presence in the AHL to help development of Gillies. Brad just had to let him play a few games before the move could be made.

[Vinny01]

Ramo was always a guy that got better as the year went on. When it was he and Berra battling it wasn't until the second half of the season where he really took the reigns. Similar to last year Hiller was the guy until the season wore on then Ramo started to take over but got hurt

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ramo was always a guy that got better as the year went on. When it was he and Berra battling it wasn't until the second half of the season where he really took the reigns. Similar to last year Hiller was the guy until the season wore on then Ramo started to take over but got hurt

I have a different recollection in that Ramo was benched for a long time in January and Hiller was strong down the stretch and into the playoffs. Just like the 960 boys were saying this morning that Ramo had a decent series against the Ducks and it's like the memories of some fans got clouded. Ramo has never, ever been really good. No team picked him up because he's like all the other guys outside the league that simply aren't deemed good enough to be a full time NHL goaltender. I think Ramo could be a backup for a team with a strong starter but that's his ceiling and at his current salary no team is going to touch him.

[sureLoss]

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Brad Treliving says there will be enough action to go around in Stockton for both Ramo and Gillies. Says he's not concerned. #Flames

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
"The move that was made isn't an inditement on Karri." - Treliving, stating the team's record isn't where it is just because of goaltending.

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
"Right now, it's easy to look at goaltending but we're not generating enough offence." - Treliving

Jermain Franklin @TSNJFranklin
Treliving "We got to build some stability in our game... We're defending far too much. We're giving up quality chances far too often..."

Kristen Odland @KristenOdlandCH
More Treliving: "This is hopefully a way to jumpstart everybody."

[BigRed]

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[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by BigRed

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Might just be me, but what does this even mean?

[East Coast Flame]

I can't believe people are still trying to justify the Engelland signing. It was terrible then and it is terrible now.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I can't believe people are still trying to justify the Engelland signing. It was terrible then and it is terrible now.

They needed roster filler back then. They had nowhere near the D depth that they have now.

Plus he punches multiple Canucks faces.

You really can't see it? Yes he's overpaid for what he brings, I don't think you'll find anyone denying that. But he's been a valuable member of the team through the rebuild so far.