Karri Ramo on waivers UPDATE: Clears, assigned to Stockton

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

If someone wants to pick him up on waivers, can they ask the Flames to retain some salary? Or does it have to become a trade at that point.

No. that only applies in a trade.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I highly doubt it. Who wants him? No one. He's not an up and comer, he's not been good in the NHL ever and he's even worse this year. What team would he help???

I'm not saying a trade is likely (at this point, I'd be surprised if a trade happens), but for the same reasons you've stated, why would anyone claim him off waivers and pay his full salary?

I think the only way he goes to another NHL team is if the Flames retain a significant amount of salary, and probably take a bad contract back in return.


I wonder if Europe is an option for him at this point? If the Flames were to lend him to a team in Finland (or somewhere over there), what would be the cap implications?

[topfiverecords]

No one wanted him when he was UFA in the summer. No one will take him now that he's signed to $3.8. Even at $1.9 50% retained, it's still too high.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

No one wanted him when he was UFA in the summer. No one will take him now that he's signed to $3.8. Even at $1.9 50% retained, it's still too high.

IIRC, he never made it to FA.

I could see waived + trade after cleared. Wasn't Russell acquired in a similar manner?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Should have never signed him this summer anyway. Especially for that $ amount, knowing there's a chance it would come to this.

Yeah it was such a weird signing. I know the contract itself wasn't an issue being only 1 year and we had cap space. And I'm sure Treliving wanted to build some internal competition hence the signing. But it's been nothing short of a disaster and the standings prove it.

I'm willing to bet that once Ortio gets the net, the team suddenly plays better. I just have a gut feeling things will finally start to get better. It will make me both upset and happy. Upset because it shouldn't take something like this to make a team better. But happy because I honestly think we will be better now.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

IIRC, he never made it to FA.

I could see waived + trade after cleared. Wasn't Russell acquired in a similar manner?

Yeah but that was because of the looming arbitration I believe. Completely different situation and since only 900k or so of Ramos contract would be buried in the AHL, I doubt that a team will all of a sudden bite after he clears.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm not saying a trade is likely (at this point, I'd be surprised if a trade happens), but for the same reasons you've stated, why would anyone claim him off waivers and pay his full salary?

I think the only way he goes to another NHL team is if the Flames retain a significant amount of salary, and probably take a bad contract back in return.


I wonder if Europe is an option for him at this point? If the Flames were to lend him to a team in Finland (or somewhere over there), what would be the cap implications?

His cap would still count, minus the $900 000 the Flames can bury in the minors. The European team might help pay for his salary, but that would be about it.

[N-E-B]

I think they made the right move. I know Hiller isn't the most popular guy around here, but in my mind he's slightly better than Ramo. Hiller is either really good or really bad. Ramo is more consistent but lets in his signature terrible goal every game.

[Vinny01]

Maybe Buffalo makes a claim otherwise he is in Stockton playing as Gillies backup.

Glad they cut bait with one of them.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

I'm glad Treliving wasn't too stubborn to put a player on waivers whom he just signed to a 3.8 mil contract.

[Split98]

Don't we still pay half his salary if he's claimed?

[Strange Brew]

Being put on waivers does not necessarily mean he's gone but in this case, I think it does. Goes unclaimed and backs up Gillies in Stockton. Or maybe traded with 50% retained salary.

There is one fact that is beyond debate IMO. Signing a guy to a $3.8 million dollar contract and waiving him 6 games into the season is a black mark against the GM.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by Split98

Don't we still pay half his salary if he's claimed?

No, that was removed from the current CBA

[Split98]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

No, that was removed from the current CBA

Thanks! Wasn't sure if it was an old thing... or something I always assumed incorrectly.

[bubbsy]

this signing was a weird decision right from the start. i wonder if we'll ever find out the rationale for it.

[DuffMan]

should've just put them both on waivers.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

should've just put them both on waivers.

It wouldn't shock me to see Hiller waived as well at some point. Play well in the NHL or play in Stockton. I have no reason to believe that Ramo wouldn't be recalled and Hiller sent down at some point.

[FlamesAddiction]

I bet there is a trade on the table that requires the Flames to take back a deadbeat contract, and this is the last ditch effort to move Ramo without taking back a contract.

I still think he is a serviceable goalie, but a bad start to the season and fairly high salary makes him hard to move.

[Harry Lime]

Ramo passing successfully through waivers may make him more attractive to a team that is headed to the playoffs, and isn't comfortable with their goaltending depth. Wouldn't it then be possible for him to be assigned directly to the AHL by the team that he is sent to?

The team that I see most likely to want a proven goalie in this position are the NY Islanders. They currently have Thomas Griess as their backup, and lost Poulin on waivers to the Lightning. Although they will have the opportunity to reacquire Poulin when he is sent back down in a few weeks, they may feel more comfortable having a proven NHL goalie taking regular reps down in the AHL. If anything happens to Halak, would you rather have Griess as your number 1, or Ramo?

In terms of return, I wouldn't expect much more than JS Berube (a goalie for AHL Stockton) and perhaps one of NYs buried defensive prospects. Calgary eats whatever is left to balance the salaries (maybe a million), and NY gains an open contract spot.

I would put the possibility of a trade at about 50/50.

[HartAttack]

After thinking about this some more, maybe they figured Ramo is the least likely to get claimed out of the 3 goalies, and that could be why the Flames chose to put him on waivers as opposed to Hiller.