Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[rubecube]

Can anyone actually find the quote in question? All we seem to be going off of here is some dude saying he saw a headline.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Zarley

I think the Conservatives made a huge mistake by eschewing the consortium debate. Trudeau sounds good in sound bites, but when he gets away from his talking points he comes across as a neophyte. By replacing the high exposure consortium debates with these obscure, online-only affairs, the Conservatives have limited Trudeau's exposure to sound bites from the debates and closely controlled Liberal messaging.

Nonsense. I didn't vote for the guy, but Trudeau performed well enough in the debates to completely shatter the above narrative that's been concocted by hyper-partisan CPC supporters.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

The part about never having run or managed anything, or the other part?

Lots of CEO's and leaders have "experience" but run things into the ground.

A typical tactic of the right wing opposition in the USA and Canada is to harp about the other candidate having no experience. He obviously has enough of something to be the leader of his party. He'll do fine.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Drak

Lots of CEO's and leaders have "experience" but run things into the ground.

A typical tactic of the right wing opposition in the USA and Canada is to harp about the other candidate having no experience. He obviously has enough of something to be the leader of his party. He'll do fine.

A famous last name is pretty much the top of his credential list.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Drak

Lots of CEO's and leaders have "experience" but run things into the ground.

A typical tactic of the right wing opposition in the USA and Canada is to harp about the other candidate having no experience. He obviously has enough of something to be the leader of his party. He'll do fine.

Not to mention the fact that Harper's leadership credentials prior to winning the CPC nomination were pretty much limited to his role with the National Citizens Coalition.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by heep223

Because he's basically been a student his whole life, he's never run anything or managed people, he's young and he's a bleeding heart.

Originally Posted by Drak

Lots of CEO's and leaders have "experience" but run things into the ground.

A typical tactic of the right wing opposition in the USA and Canada is to harp about the other candidate having no experience. He obviously has enough of something to be the leader of his party. He'll do fine.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not to mention the fact that Harper's leadership credentials prior to winning the CPC nomination were pretty much limited to his role with the National Citizens Coalition.

Let's just be honest with our selves. None of them at this point are amazing managers or have any significant experience in the private sector doing anything amazing. This isn't partisan, and goes across most elections. If they were that good in the private sector and doing great things there, then they wouldn't be running for political office.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not to mention the fact that Harper's leadership credentials prior to winning the CPC nomination were pretty much limited to his role with the National Citizens Coalition.

Harper's experience running for leadership roles was about the same at the same age, both having about the same experience in parliament. Conservatives didn't complain then.

[Looch City]

A reality check on Stephen Harper’s math: ‘Ka-ching.’

What Harper said:
A Liberal government would limit contributions to Tax-Free Savings Accounts.

What Liberals are promising:
This is correct. Liberals would cap the annual amount Canadians can sock away in TFSAs at $5,500, rolling back the Harper government’s recent increase to $10,000. Liberals maintain increasing the cap would benefit primarily the wealthy.

What Harper said:
Liberals would eliminate the tax advantage enjoyed by couples with children by allowing them to split their income for tax purposes.

What Liberals are promising:
This is correct. Trudeau has promised to scrap income splitting for parents, pointing to studies which have shown the benefits flow primarily to the wealthiest 15 per cent of families. Contrary to Conservative attack ads which infer that Liberals would also scrap income splitting for seniors, Trudeau has repeatedly said he’d keep that tax advantage in place.

What Harper said:
Liberals would increase payroll taxes by hiking Employment Insurance premiums.

What Liberals are promising: Liberals are promising to reduce EI premiums in 2017 from $1.88 per $100 of insurable earnings to $1.65. That is not as steep a cut as that promised by Harper — to $1.49 by 2017 — but it’s still a reduction.

What Harper didn’t say:
He didn’t mention that the Liberals are promising to cut taxes across the board for Canadians earning between $45,000 and $90,000, tax relief Trudeau says is worth up to $670 per person, per year. Nor did Harper mention that Trudeau is also promising to hike taxes on the wealthiest one per cent of Canadians.

More here http://www.macleans.ca/politics/otta...math-ka-ching/

[Drak]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

A famous last name is pretty much the top of his credential list.

On the contrary. I think being brought up at the centre of political power goes a long way, growing up around important national/ world leaders - dignitaries, - their discussions and debates. That's a pretty prime political education.

[Coach]

Yeah, I'm not sure I care at all where someone comes from. If they were a business leader, school teacher, lawyer, etc... it doesn't matter. As long as they have ideas I agree with and feasible/reasonable ways of implementing them, that's all I really care about.

Their age, hair and life outside of politics is pretty much irrelevant.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Nonsense. I didn't vote for the guy, but Trudeau performed well enough in the debates to completely shatter the above narrative that's been concocted by hyper-partisan CPC supporters.

I'm not a CPC supporter nor partisan in the least. In fact, I'll likely be voting for Kent Hehr.

I think you'd have to be blinded by ideology to not agree that Trudeau does not have an in depth understanding of economic and political issues. He leans on talking points much more than Harper or Mulcair, he continually makes foolish statements, has trouble thinking on his feet, and his educational background suggests he does not not have the same ability as the other two party leaders.

Having said that, it looks like there is a good chance the Liberals will form the next government and I think Trudeau can be an effective leader if he leans heavily on his team of advisers (which is fairly strong). However, I would have much preferred to put my vote towards a party led by someone like Martha Hall-Findlay or Marc Garneau rather than a man with a famous last name.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

A reality check on Stephen Harper’s math: ‘Ka-ching.’

So that's saying what Harper said is accurate?

[Canuck-Hater]

RE: The Putin quote, what Trudeau actually said:
"Canada needs to continue to stand strongly with the international community pushing back against the bully that is Vladimir Putin," he said during a campaign stop in Toronto.
"If I have the opportunity in the coming months to meet with Vladimir Putin, I will tell him all this directly to his face because we need to ensure that Canada continues to stand strongly for peace and justice in the world."

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So that's saying what Harper said is accurate?

Well besides the 'he's going to raise your taxes' part. Of course this is CP so it may be true for some here who earn high wages.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Slava

If they were that good in the private sector and doing great things there, then they wouldn't be running for political office.

Do you really believe this? I only know one candidate in this election personally, but before going home to run in this election he was in fact doing extremely well, and would have made a whole heck of a lot more money staying right where he was.

Anyway - anyone want to post the proposed marginal rates, combined with AB rates? If you have time and easy access to the data that is. Or if someone just knows where I could find it for myself?

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

RE: The Putin quote, what Trudeau actually said:
"Canada needs to continue to stand strongly with the international community pushing back against the bully that is Vladimir Putin," he said during a campaign stop in Toronto.
"If I have the opportunity in the coming months to meet with Vladimir Putin, I will tell him all this directly to his face because we need to ensure that Canada continues to stand strongly for peace and justice in the world."

Reminiscent of Tony Abbott.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Well besides the 'he's going to raise your taxes' part. Of course this is CP so it may be true for some here who earn high wages.

Yeah, I don't see above where Harper said that, but there is no doubt that under a LPC gov the wealthy will pay a higher share than they do/would under a CPC gov

[heep223]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Can anyone actually find the quote in question? All we seem to be going off of here is some dude saying he saw a headline.

Asked about the findings that a Russian-made missile downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine last year, Mr. Trudeau vowed that he would not hesitate to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin if he becomes prime minister.

“Putin is being dangerous with his interventions in Eastern Europe, being irresponsible and harmful to peace with his interventions in the Middle East, and he is being unduly provocative with his actions in the Arctic,” Mr. Trudeau said.

“Canada needs to continue to stand strongly with the international community pushing back against the bully that is Vladimir Putin. If I have the opportunity in the coming months to meet with Vladimir Putin, I will tell him all this directly to his face because we need to ensure that Canada continues to stand strongly for peace and justice in the world,” he said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle26779886/

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah, I'm not sure I care at all where someone comes from. If they were a business leader, school teacher, lawyer, etc... it doesn't matter. As long as they have ideas I agree with and feasible/reasonable ways of implementing them, that's all I really care about.

Their age, hair and life outside of politics is pretty much irrelevant.

Isn't someone's background, education and experience vital for any job including in politics?

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So that's saying what Harper said is accurate?

Harper is twisting Trudeau's words into "higher taxes and less money for everyone". But that's also expected...the article was simply calling Harper out on his bs.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Yeah, I don't see above where Harper said that, but there is no doubt that under a LPC gov the wealthy will pay a higher share than they do/would under a CPC gov

Their ads clearly say there will be a $1000 payroll tax.