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Old 10-11-2015, 07:13 PM   #3201
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Justin speaks his mind in 2012:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...ship-ambitions

Beware when you vote. You get what you ask for.

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...“Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn’t work.

Asked if Canada is better served when there are more Quebecers in power than when there are more Albertans in power, Mr. Trudeau replied: “I’m a Liberal so of course I believe that.”


He went on to add: “certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec. … This country — Canada — it belongs to us.”
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Old 10-11-2015, 07:23 PM   #3202
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He said that in 2010. The video surfaced in 2012.
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Trudeau is proud of his home province. Shocking.
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Trudeau is proud of his home province. Shocking.
A Trudeau hates Alberta. Shocking.
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Old 10-11-2015, 08:35 PM   #3205
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Trudeau is proud of his home province. Shocking.
That's what you get from that?
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Old 10-11-2015, 08:41 PM   #3206
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Trudeau apologized and said it wasn't the right context. Not sure if that's believable or not, but he addressed it a few years ago.
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Trudeau apologized and said it wasn't the right context. Not sure if that's believable or not, but he addressed it a few years ago.
It's the National Post. There is a good chance that they were pushing their pro-CPC agenda by manipulating the context.

It's pretty simple. Quebec is probably the most liberal province in Canada and Alberta is the most conservative. Politicians from Quebec tend to push more liberal platforms (which probably about 65% of Canadians in general support when you add up the votes for not conservative parties).
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I, too, can pull up old redundant quotes:

Stephen Harper’s most controversial quotes compiled — by Tories

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“I'm not ashamed to say that, in caucus, I have more pro-life MPs supporting me than supporting Stockwell Day.”

“providing for the poor is a provincial, not a federal responsibility.”

“You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...by_tories.html
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Justin speaks his mind in 2012:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...ship-ambitions

Beware when you vote. You get what you ask for.
Question:

Was he wrong?

Albertans just had a come to Jesus moment in the latest election voting out a party after a 40 year reign.

Maybe Justin was onto something?

Wasn't 2010 the beginning of Redford mania and when the federal conservatives started losing touch with the desires of the average Canadian?

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The drop in the commodity price has been far more detrimental to the state of Alberta's economy than any other factor. If the price of oil was still $110 the economy would be doing well, regardless of whatever you think Harper has done.

As for foreign investment, the only foreign acquisition the federal government has rejected was in Saskatchewan for PotashCorp. Since Harper's been in power, there have been billions of dollars in foreign investment in the Canadian oil industry.


http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/20...reign-funding/
Market cap of income trusts expanded from 14 billion to 110 billion from 2000 - 2004 and when Harper changed the rules over 25 billion of equity was erased overnight. Almost as good as an average deficit under Harper all in a day's work. Where are companies like penn west, pengrowth, baytex, ener plus and the like today? Most are barely surviving and have been dogs for years. And what replaced the activity generated by energy trusts acquiring aggressive juniors? The industry is still searching for a new model on the conventional side.

Every single one of those deals in the article you quoted occurred before the change in the rules on state owned enterprises acquiring "Canadian companies", as if that means they acquire the actual resource. I fail to see the relevance.

i don't know if you noticed, but stock prices of oil sands companies were receding well before commodity prices fell off the map last year. How many oilsands start ups did you witness after 2012? The oil price drop has merely been the final nail in the coffin for some (and likely more to come). You can't put two cement boots on someone sitting on the beach in low tide and them expect them to swim when the water rises. That is what Harper has done to our economy
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Was he wrong?

Albertans just had a come to Jesus moment in the latest election voting out a party after a 40 year reign.

Maybe Justin was onto something?

Wasn't 2010 the beginning of Redford mania and when the federal conservatives started losing touch with the desires of the average Canadian?
Well, it depends what you mean by socio democratic agenda....

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Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn’t work.
It's hard to say what Justin has going on up there, but if he's pointing to Quebec as a master plan of social justice in Canada, he is totally wrong (actually couldn't be more wrong) and we're all completely screwed....

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Because of a steady increase in taxes Quebecers are also faced with less take-home pay to cover their own expenses, but in a seeming paradox the increase in taxation rates is leaving the province poorer
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/researche...isis-1.1661163

Quebec is a disaster of "socio democratic" policy for so many reasons. The "socio-democratic agenda" is not why Alberta booted the conservatives. But again, maybe Justin means something else when he says those big words.
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Interesting, I wasn't aware the NDP gets 103 seats locked in before the election and just needs 35 more. The more desperate Mulcair looks, the more it drives his voters to the Liberals.

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Wtf now it's about the number of seats and who can get elected faster? What a stupid ad, what were they thinking...
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:31 AM   #3214
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I seem to recall Jack Layton knocking down that kind of rhetoric when it was Ignatieff saying it. This certainly isn't the party of Jack Layton.
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:39 AM   #3215
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I seem to recall Jack Layton knocking down that kind of rhetoric when it was Ignatieff saying it. This certainly isn't the party of Jack Layton.
It's exactly the party of Jack Layton. Lets not pretend Jack Layton was some saintly non-politician because he's dead now.
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I, too, can pull up old redundant quotes:

Stephen Harper’s most controversial quotes compiled — by Tories

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...by_tories.html
Those are the worst quotes you can come up with? What exactly is so bad about them?
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:44 AM   #3217
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Those are the worst quotes you can come up with? What exactly is so bad about them?
“You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.”

Nothing. Absolutely Nothing.
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Yep, that one's pretty bad. I think there are actually worse ones re: homophobia, if you go further back. That being said, I don't even necessarily disagree with this one:

“providing for the poor is a provincial, not a federal responsibility.”

I'd at least be interested in a discussion on who's best suited to take on that responsibility.

Anyway, he is right that after a 20+ year political career, those being the worst quotes you can find suggests he hasn't been much of a gaffe maker. That being said, the gaffes tell you nothing about the way a party will run the country in 2015, it's just more nonsense and distraction. Same applies to Trudeau's "Quebecois > Albertans" stuff. Focus on the platforms.
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Harpers strength lies from his ability to generally keep his mouth shut and be as low-profile as possible. In the end, it's his actions, not his words, that should really make one wince.
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There are parts of this election campaign that remind me of this:

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