2015 ALDS - Toronto Blue Jays Vs. Texas Rangers - PLAYOFFS!!!!! - Page 47 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Mccree · 10-09-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Isn't that always MLB's call?

I think it is but it shouldn't be. Part of home field advantage.

Mathgod · 10-09-2015, 04:13 PM

Nicely done Torontchoke.

What is the team's batting average in the series? .100? Tulowitzki is 0-10 in the series. Ick!

Screw Torontchoke sports teams, my focus is solely back to the Stamps & Flames.

flames_fan_down_under · 10-09-2015, 04:22 PM

Honestly I am sorry to rant but I have to. This has been the most infuriating 48 hours of baseball I have witnessed as a jays fan:

The roof being closed, the time of the games, the HORRENDOUS umpiring today(ABYSMAL!) the stupid review giving the Rangers four outs, Murderers row turning into a bunch of free swinging knuckle heads not working the counts, to Donaldson obviously getting frustrated, to Tulowitzki getting frustrated, to Smoak ALWAYS STRIKING OUT ON BREAKING BALLS, to being down 0-2 and going to Texas, to David Price laying a freaking EGG yesterday, to the errors, to the infield singles by the Rangers, I honestly don't know what else cannot go the Jays way but at least there are potentially three more games to find out.

normtwofinger · 10-09-2015, 04:23 PM

Not blaming this solely on the loss but the home plate ump was brutal. It has to get in the heads of some players as they wait for 'their' pitch.

JayP · 10-09-2015, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ClubFlames

I'm not giving up on the Jays, if there is one team who can defy odds its this team.

This series is definitely far from over. Estrada and Dickey are both excellent pitchers. More importantly, the Rangers are likely throwing out two mediocre lefties with ERAs well north of 4 this season now that they are up 2-0. Neither Perez nor Holland have anywhere near even splits either - they both have pitiful numbers against righties for their career. If the Jays can't hit crap like that with the season on the line, it wasn't meant to be. And if the Rangers try and get fancy and go with Gallardo on short rest, great. There's not a lot of guys that can do it effectively and I don't think a mediocre pitcher like Gallardo is the guy to buck the numbers.

The problem is whether the Jays can settle down and just play their game. The ump had a major impact on the Jays' approach at the plate today, but that didn't change the fact that there were a ton of long swings even in pitchers counts. If the ump is terrible and putting you in bad counts you have to be able to adapt and just try and drive the ball low. The Jays approach all year was to trust the guy behind you to do damage - they haven't shown any of that in this series. Everyone wants to be the hero and it's just led to bad strikeouts and weak flies/pop-ups.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 04:42 PM

As I said last week, Texas is the absolutely worst team Toronto could have drawn. They were just as hot as the Jays since the All-Star break, and are the only team that had the potential to score as many runs as the Jays if everything aligned for them (which it has). These guys were full of confidence and wouldn't fear the Jays, and wouldn't be intimidated by the Jays like the other teams would. All the other teams saw the Jays come up from the rear view mirror, while Texas was running with the Jays.

JayP · 10-09-2015, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

As I said last week, Texas is the absolutely worst team Toronto could have drawn. They were just as hot as the Jays since the All-Star break, and are the only team that had the potential to score as many runs as the Jays if everything aligned for them (which it has). These guys were full of confidence and wouldn't fear the Jays, and wouldn't be intimidated by the Jays like the other teams would. All the other teams saw the Jays come up from the rear view mirror, while Texas was running with the Jays.

Except the Rangers haven't done anything special to win these games. The middle of their order that carried them through August & September has been neutralized. The Jays have just threw these games away. Price admitted he let the nerves get to him in game one - over pitching led to a bunch of easy walks and hit batters that came around to score.

In today's game, the Rangers effectively generated two runs in 14 innings (an arguably less if the MLB calls Odor out which he clearly was). The Jays gave away 2 runs in the first inning on ugly plays. Then Donaldson gave away another run in the 3rd by abandoning third base and advancing the runner, leading to a sac fly.

The Jays have given two games away. The Rangers momentum has had nothing to do with that. If they came here and pounded the ball around for 15 runs in two games you might have a leg to stand on (but you'd still be wrong and ignoring all the historical data), but the Rangers have limped to two victories when the Jays did everything they possibly could to lose them.

Jiggy_12 · 10-09-2015, 05:03 PM

This happens in the regular season and it's merely a blip on the radar, Jays likely win Saturday and it's on to the next. But in playoffs everything is just so magnified. There isn't time like there is over the course of a season for the bad luck/calls to even itself out. The scales get tipped one way and it seems like the world is ending.

All we can do now is hope Estrada is better than the Rangers SP for game 3, win it - and then the pressure is back on the Rangers.

If it doesn't happen- it doesn't make the Jays chokers, it makes them
Incredibly unfortunate. This easily could be 2-0 Jays. The difference is so miniscule.

Roof-Daddy · 10-09-2015, 05:20 PM

So, I didn't follow along in this thread during the game so it may have been discussed.....but the lead off guy is on in the 12th, pinch run Pompey.

Why is Martin swinging away and not sacrifice bunting there? It's the bottom half of extra innings, you HAVE to bunt that guy into scoring position. No?

edslunch · 10-09-2015, 05:20 PM

Tulo has been useless at the plate

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JayP

Except the Rangers haven't done anything special to win these games. The middle of their order that carried them through August & September has been neutralized. The Jays have just threw these games away. Price admitted he let the nerves get to him in game one - over pitching led to a bunch of easy walks and hit batters that came around to score.

In today's game, the Rangers effectively generated two runs in 14 innings (an arguably less if the MLB calls Odor out which he clearly was). The Jays gave away 2 runs in the first inning on ugly plays. Then Donaldson gave away another run in the 3rd by abandoning third base and advancing the runner, leading to a sac fly.

The Jays have given two games away. The Rangers momentum has had nothing to do with that. If they came here and pounded the ball around for 15 runs in two games you might have a leg to stand on (but you'd still be wrong and ignoring all the historical data), but the Rangers have limped to two victories when the Jays did everything they possibly could to lose them.

The Jays have given the Rangers two games? The team that has played better defensively and manufactured runs when people were on base has won both games.

The Rangers won only a few games less than the Jays since the All-Star Break. They are the only team in the AL that can say that. You can bring up whatever ridiculous stat you want to show how much better the Jays are, but the only thing that matters in sports is wins, and there's very little separating the two teams in that category post all-star.

The Jays signed up to play this team, and did so with a bunch of cold players who were shut down a week too early. Monumentally stupid management decisions, and they are going to pay for it. Makes me sick. Jays fans have waited 22 years for this, and in my opinion, management's actions leading up to the post season have pissed that away.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, I didn't follow along in this thread during the game so it may have been discussed.....but the lead off guy is on in the 12th, pinch run Pompey.

Why is Martin swinging away and not sacrifice bunting there? It's the bottom half of extra innings, you HAVE to bunt that guy into scoring position. No?

The idiot named Gibbons. We aren't even having this discussion if he sits Cecil down when he should have and put the already warm pitcher in that Napoli is 2 for 17 lifetime against.

Dion · 10-09-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Quite a choke job. Disappointing.

To call it a choke job is going a bit too far. The Jays are facing some really good pitching in this series, making hits and home runs that much harder to get. Outside of the pitching by Price in game one, todays game could have gone either way.

CedarMeter · 10-09-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Jays likely win Saturday and it's on to the next. .

They play tomorrow!?

Dion · 10-09-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Tulo has been useless at the plate

He's been quiet since he got traded to the Jays. It's unfortunate that he hasn't been able to hit the ball with any consistancy.

Jiggy_12 · 10-09-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CedarMeter

They play tomorrow!?

Sorry, meant if it was just a 3 game regular season series. Lose the first two and win the next and everyone forgets about it.
But no, they play Sunday night.

Dion · 10-09-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

The idiot named Gibbons. We aren't even having this discussion if he sits Cecil down when he should have and put the already warm pitcher in that Napoli is 2 for 17 lifetime against.

They could have intentionaly walked Napoli also. Hindsight is 20/20 when things don't work out.

TheAlpineOracle · 10-09-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

They could have intentionaly walked Napoli also. Hindsight is 20/20 when things don't work out.

You hear "Hindsight is 20/20" a lot more time with Gibbons managing than you do with other quality managers. They could have done a lot of things there, but as usual, Gibbons did nothing.

GirlySports · 10-09-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, I didn't follow along in this thread during the game so it may have been discussed.....but the lead off guy is on in the 12th, pinch run Pompey.

Why is Martin swinging away and not sacrifice bunting there? It's the bottom half of extra innings, you HAVE to bunt that guy into scoring position. No?

Pompey should have taken off on the first pitch. He's that fast.

Caged Great · 10-09-2015, 05:50 PM

As much as I'd like to complain about the manager, it is not his fault that the players could not execute like they have since the All Star Break.

Price has his 2nd worst start as a Jay, not Gibbons' fault.
2-3-4-5 hitters getting themselves out through 10 AB's, not much Gibbons can do.