[News] Flames put Byron and Raymond on waivers. UPD: Byron claimed by Habs

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So for all of his transition ability, it wasn't translating into points. And until the NHL starts basing wins and losses on Corsi events, points are what decide games. Byron is neutral at best in that regard.

... goals decide games, not points.

That's a very superficial way of looking at it. Consider this hypothetical sequence... faceoff in the defensive zone, attacking team wins the faceoff, quick shot goes wide, puck battle ensues defending team wins the battle, defender passes to the center who carries it into neutral ice, who passes to the winger to carry in to attack zone, he accelerates and fires off a shot that the goalie gloves causing a faceoff, teams change, faceoff is won, puck goes to the defenseman who passes to the other defenseman who shots the puck, goalie makes the initial save but the rebound goes to a charging winner who tucks it in the net for a goal.

... you're saying that only the two d-men and the winger (who got points on the goal) "decided" anything? Not the center who won the draw? not the guys that moved the puck into the attack zone to get the draw in the attack zone? Not the guy who won the puck battle that started the whole process?

[Ozy_Flame]

I'm arguing with a dude on HF about how we are not going to be picking up any defensemen on waivers, yet he's being hard about Calgary picking one up because we're short on depth.

Am I arguing fruitlessly here? I can't tell.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm arguing with a dude on HF about how we are not going to be picking up any defensemen on waivers, yet he's being hard about Calgary picking one up because we're short on depth.

Am I arguing fruitlessly here? I can't tell.

Of course you are. Outside of a few posters in the business of hockey subforum, HFboards is just about the dumbest hockey forum on the internet.

[neo45]

I think if a dman that BT thought could help hit the waiver wire he wouldn't hesitate for a second to claim him and play him. He did it last year with Schlemko

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Am I arguing fruitlessly here? I can't tell.

Short-term we don't need one, we do have only six bodies on the blueline but until we have a back-to-back we won't need a seventh (October 25) and by that time we could/should have Brodie/Smid back.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

When I see Raymond play, I see a perimeter player who has no interest in getting or receiving the puck. He has no interest in paying a price to get into the high scoring areas. Raymond has always been a fast skater, but he has absolutely no strength and it's not because he's undersized. It's because he's never been dedicated to bulking up or getting stronger. Just being fast enough not to get body checked.

Raymond makes 3.25 mil a year from the team he looked up to as a kid. He's represented the Flaming C terribly and is the embodiment of a floater just looking to get his paycheck.

I personally feel that it's not a lack of effort or intensity or strength. He never really was the same player after his horrible back injury and I think that gets overlooked. I feel bad for him, it must suck to be a good young middle six player in the NHL, suffer a scary injury, end up being a whipping boy and getting waived by your hometown team.

I shake my head at the posts that say he's lazy and/or entitled

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

To anyone who says the Flames don't need Byron, please read this article when you sober up:

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.co...moving-forward

It's funny how short some of your memories are. It takes all kinds of players to have success in the NHL. Byron is the 2nd most versatile forward we have and represents the Flames identity to a T.

As Bob Hartley would say, "He's like an Energizer bunny out there".

Some of you will look really silly when Byron remains with the team after clearing waivers.

I don't think anyone needs to worry about "sobering up" or "looking silly" because they don't care about a role playing 13th forward. Nor should people who care too much.

Every bit of over-exaggeration of Byron's impact is balancing out really well with the under-exaggeration.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by heep223

I personally feel that it's not a lack of effort or intensity or strength. He never really was the same player after his horrible back injury and I think that gets overlooked. I feel bad for him, it must suck to be a good young middle six player in the NHL, suffer a scary injury, end up being a whipping boy and getting waived by your hometown team.

I shake my head at the posts that say he's lazy and/or entitled

Raymond was butter soft even back in his days diving with the Canucks. There's even a running joke about him because of it. "Oh look at that Raymond fell, and the sky is blue". Absolutely no strength to him and it shows. Raymond has good speed and a good release and that's about it. The only time I ever see him get close enough to shoot is against the Oilers or on a power play.

Bottom line, Raymond doesn't deserve Flames fans respect or gratitude because he's done absolutely nothing on the ice in a Flames uniform.

[Vinny01]

Raymond came out and said he prepared as he did every summer. This is a guy who was scratched throughout the playoffs and when he did play was a 4th liner. He should have tried something new to resurrect his career. Better players like Glencross are out of work and Raymond will be out of the league as soon as his contract expires. Horrible play during the preseason. He needed to test this summer and camp like it could be his last. I don't get the impression he did.

Byron has always been a fringe player so no surprise he got passed over by Ferland, Bennett, Jooris. He plays a big mans game but is very small. Guys like Bollig and Jones are better fits for the 4th line which will be tasked with finishing their checks

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by heep223

I personally feel that it's not a lack of effort or intensity or strength. He never really was the same player after his horrible back injury and I think that gets overlooked. I feel bad for him, it must suck to be a good young middle six player in the NHL, suffer a scary injury, end up being a whipping boy and getting waived by your hometown team.

I shake my head at the posts that say he's lazy and/or entitled

I think sometimes there are a few people who think that anyone can get bigger or stronger and that it will simply improve their game. It's not always true. Some guys aren't tough. You can't just make them tough. Some guys have to play a certain type of game to have success. When that game becomes not enough, sometimes it's all they have.

I agree with you that turning this into a lazy/entitled thing is just a way to take a stab at a guy. Some guys just top out. It's life. Nobody has unlimited potential or we'd all be the top professionals in our field.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think sometimes there are a few people who think that anyone can get bigger or stronger and that it will simply improve their game. It's not always true. Some guys aren't tough. You can't just make them tough. Some guys have to play a certain type of game to have success. When that game becomes not enough, sometimes it's all they have.

I agree with you that turning this into a lazy/entitled thing is just a way to take a stab at a guy. Some guys just top out. It's life. Nobody has unlimited potential or we'd all be the top professionals in our field.

And then come the inevitable "he's made millions of dollars, he's rich and he doesn't care" posts.

[activeStick]

@SUNRandySportak: Have seen #Flames Mason Raymond and Paul Byron at the Dome. Waiver period for both ends in 5 minutes.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don't think anyone needs to worry about "sobering up" or "looking silly" because they don't care about a role playing 13th forward. Nor should people who care too much.

Every bit of over-exaggeration of Byron's impact is balancing out really well with the under-exaggeration.

You don't care, so why are you posting in this thread? Some of us Flames fans want to see the best possible line-up on opening day.

All Summer there has been talk about the Flames needing to improve their advanced stats. Byron has the 3rd best overall advanced stat sheets out of all Flames. What's wrong with having him as the 13th forward?

[sureLoss]

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Raymond and Byron still in CGY..getting ready for practice with #Flames.

Looks like they will stay if they clear

[Street Pharmacist]

Huh? Why waive them then?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Huh? Why waive them then?

This has already been answered. It gives the team the option to demote either at any time for 30 days or 10 games.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Huh? Why waive them then?

Maybe so they have the flexibility to send one of them down without having to clear, when Colborne comes back?

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MON claims Byron

[hockey.modern]

Byron claimed

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MON claims Byron

Noooooooooo!

Damn it.