[News] Flames put Byron and Raymond on waivers. UPD: Byron claimed by Habs

[Vinny01]

No doubt Treliving tried to trade Raymond all camp but players of his caliber are not being retained on PTO's let alone someone taking him at his cap hit

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by polak

And this is why analytics breaks down. Because if you want to play the "one of these things is not like the other" game, then here you go:

Patrice Bergeron
Mikael Backlund
Paul Stastny
Joe Thornton
Gabriel Landeskog
Paul Byron

You can use more quantifiable facts (specifically, offense-related ones) to cut out Byron. The point is that he's an exceptional defensive forward in the NHL. All six of those players played 100+ games in the last two seasons too.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Well a quantifiable fact is that the Quality of Competition that those other players face is much higher than what Byron faces.

If you cut down by that, it just means Byron is alone in the NHL. Which still disproves the claim that "there are lots of Byrons". There aren't any other Byrons, even if he's not a top 6 forward he's a unique bottom 6er.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

What are the options if Raymond clears?

1. Assign him to the AHL within 10 games or 30 days before he has to clear waivers again
2. Keep him on the NHL roster

[SuperMatt18]

I have a feeling they think Byron needs time to get his stride back after spending the off-season injured.

Sneak him through waivers now, give him some games in the AHL to get back to game speed, and then he likely comes back up at some point.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

THE SCORE app on my phone just notified me that Granlund was also sent down?

Isn't that cute, the Score app thinks it can compete with sureLoss.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I have a feeling they think Byron needs time to get his stride back after spending the off-season injured.

Sneak him through waivers now, give him some games in the AHL to get back to game speed, and then he likely comes back up at some point.

I believe Byronnhas gone on waivers every season he has been in Calgary. No need to sneak him through he will clear every time

[flamesfever]

I believe losing Byron would be a small step backwards for the Flames. His effectiveness, energy, dependability and bang for the buck is not easily replaced. He accomplished everything that one could expect from a developing player. I wish him the best, and look forward to the day when he returns with another team and scores on a breakaway.

[Locke]

No surprises really.

Where are the people constantly banging on the 'instant failure of the ethos' drum?

Because this is pretty much the ethos to perfection. Always earned, never given regardless of contract.

Byron got chased down the depth chart and passed and Raymond had every chance, every opportunity to grab his spot, but it seemed like he thought his contract was enough to secure a roster spot.

And I hope to see Granlund on the big club for good by the end of this season.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Isn't that cute, the Score app thinks it can compete with sureLoss.

Yeah, I just got the text and this thread is already 5 pages long. Nice try Score.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

He accomplished everything that one could expect from a developing player.

He's not a developing player though, he's 26 years old. The player Byron is today, is most likely the player he'll be for the next few years, after which he'll regress. Most likely.

If we can get someone in his spot to accomplish the same thing, with some potential to get better, it is the right move to get that younger player on our roster.

[Eric Vail]

I think if the Flames want to get bigger, then they need to move out guys like Byron and Raymond. The third and fourth line should be filled with more physical players if their scoring and offensive capabilities are lacking. Having tiny players who can't score filling your third and fourth lines do not make you a difficult team to play against.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Could this be a move to create space for potential waiver pickup? And if nothing appealing comes through, then reassign Byron back to the team?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I think if the Flames want to get bigger, then they need to move out guys like Byron and Raymond. The third and fourth line should be filled with more physical players if their scoring and offensive capabilities are lacking. Having tiny players who can't score filling your third and fourth lines do not make you a difficult team to play against.

While I agree with you overall, Byron is a physical guy. He's small for sure, but he throws more weight around in one game than Raymond does in a season.

He plays like he's 6'2 200, it's just a shame he's 5'9 170.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I think if the Flames want to get bigger, then they need to move out guys like Byron and Raymond. The third and fourth line should be filled with more physical players if their scoring and offensive capabilities are lacking. Having tiny players who can't score filling your third and fourth lines do not make you a difficult team to play against.

I agree with Raymond, but I feel like Byron is actually tough to play against.

He may be small, but he is fast, tenacious on the forecheck, and due to his speed can actually throw the body if needed.

Perfect 13th forward for this team IMO.

Type of guy that probably tires opposing d-men out, and is very annoying, because with his speed the forecheck is always on you instantly.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MattyC

While I agree with you overall, Byron is a physical guy. He's small for sure, but he throws more weight around in one game than Raymond does in a season.

He plays like he's 6'2 200, it's just a shame he's 5'9 170.

Did he not slay a Sedin once upon a time?

He should continue to be paid for life just for that!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by MattyC

While I agree with you overall, Byron is a physical guy. He's small for sure, but he throws more weight around in one game than Raymond does in a season.

He plays like he's 6'2 200, it's just a shame he's 5'9 170.

He does play like he's the size you say, which you have to give mad respect too. But, a guy playing like he's 200 lbs isn't as effective as a guy who actually is 200 lbs playing the same role.

I like Byron and in an ideal world, he could be a 13th man utility forward that slots in for injury or every now and then as needed. But he's truly been passed by quite a few guys in the past couple of years who just bring more to the table. Hopefully he clears, but if someone else in the NHL thinks they can find room for him in their top 12 I hope he gets that shot.

[Resolute 14]

When push comes to shove, who would you rather have? Paul Byron or Micheal Ferland?

[sureLoss]

Randy Sportak @SUNRandySportak
"It's basically about positioning and that's about it" #Flames coach Hartley about waivers. Called them "business decisions."

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That would turn your criterion into...

1: Quantifable Fact
2: Quantifable Fact
3: Quantifable Fact
4: Subjective Opinion

... one of those things is not like the other.

Again, why "Advanced Stats" is just ancillary information.

You can pick this stat, that stat, and the other stat (1,2, and 3 above), and magically they seem to suggest something that just isn't true.

So what that those three things are fact - unless those three things are all that defines a hockey player, the fact that you combined them to get this great view of Byron is pointless.

Maybe I should pick up Byron in my hockey pool and trade him for Bergeron or Landeskog? Think anyone would bite?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Again, why "Advanced Stats" is just ancillary information.

You can pick this stat, that stat, and the other stat (1,2, and 3 above), and magically they seem to suggest something that just isn't true.

That's just you being ignorant of what they suggest.

Those three stats suggest that among players who played a defensive role on their teams, and yet drove the puck up the ice, Paul Byron was one in a select group of 6. Nothing more, nothing less. That's a unique player. If you're confusing that for "Maybe I should pick up Byron in my hockey pool and trade him for Bergeron or Landeskog?" then that's as dumb as saying "Malkin sucks at faceoffs, therefore he sucks at hockey"