Federal Election Called for Oct 19, 2015

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's also another example of Harper and CPC supporter insincerity/hypocrisy. We supposedly care enough about innocent lives being lost to ISIS that we're dropping bombs on foreign soil, yet the innocent people killed and jailed due to drug prohibition, or the harm that would come with Harper's stance on safe-injection sites? That's apparently fine and not a very big issue.

Or trying to push gender equality by passing laws telling them what clothes they can wear, while ignoring things that would promote gender equality by closing the economic gap between men and women (like subsidized daycare). Instead he implemented income splitting that is designed to persuade women to stay at home and be subservient.

But hey, ban the niqab! What a feminist!

[RougeUnderoos]

The Conservatives/Kenney posted a message on their Chinese language website. Vice had it translated. The best part, IMO...

"In terms of the closeness, the Liberals could probably argue that they also maintain a close relationship, for in the time of Pierre Trudeau, Canada established diplomatic relations with China, but we all know, that's the result of the general trend of the world politics at that time; later, under Jean Chretien, they even have sent delegation to China, and we also know, that was for trade and business purposes.

It could also be said that New Democrats are also very close with China, since the wife of the venerable former NDP leader Jack Layton is Chinese Canadian, while the wife of MP Peter Julian is also Chinese Canadian, there is no reason not to be close with the Chinese community.

But the intimacy between the Conservative Party and China, (if view the political party as a human being) comes from the genuine good will of the Conservatives. Please recall with us together: Since the beginning of 2006 under the Conservative government, the first important thing our Prime Minister Stephen Harper did was to apologize to the Chinese community, on behalf of the Government of Canada, for the discriminatory policies and Head Tax imposed on Chinese immigrants set by the Liberals back in 1885. It might be because of the historical racist and discriminatory laws were passed by their ancestors, the Liberals have been refusing to apologize to their own people during their governance."

In short, the Lieberals want your money, the Dippers want your women, and we just love you because we are lovable.

Good stuff! Odd that Kenney hasn't said anything like this in English, in public.

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/we-tr...-chinese-women

[Senator Clay Davis]

Neocons will be neocons. It also kinda appears the CPC is unraveling by pushing fear/racism

As most of the crowd turned against her, Joyce Bateman's awkward smile melted away.

Bateman, the Conservative MP from Winnipeg South Centre who is running for re-election, was sitting onstage at the Asper Jewish Community Campus in Tuxedo for an all-candidates forum hosted by B'nai Brith.

Up until that point in the evening, the crowd of 100 or so had been exceedingly polite and well-behaved. Bateman and the other candidates -- Liberal Jim Carr, New Democrat Matt Henderson and Green party candidate Andrew Park -- had performed admirably, tackling questions about the movement to boycott Israel, domestic terrorist threats, re-establishing diplomatic relations with Iran, poverty and the economy.

It was all going well until Bateman piqued the ire of the crowd when she starting reading off a list of names from the Liberal campaign -- volunteers, paid staff workers and candidates alike -- who had been identified by the Tories as "enemies" of Israel.

As she got to Andrew Leslie -- the decorated retired lieutenant-general from the Canadian Armed Forces running for the Liberals in Ottawa-Orleans -- the crowd erupted with shouts of "shame." I, as the moderator, was forced at that point to step in to protect Bateman from the surging anger in the audience.

It is hard in retrospect to escape the feeling the "enemies of Israel" blacklist Bateman was reading had a McCarthyesque blush to it. The names were read quickly and without any information establishing the veracity of the charges against the individuals named. It was a truly creepy moment. right now trying to push race and fear. They might hand Trudeau a majority is they aren't careful

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...330506441.html

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Just think about it, a man that says a product that kills millions is better than a product that kills none. Whether you're pro marijuana or not that can't be a good thing to be so incredibly ignorant of scientific research.

None?

This is where left wing supporters lose their credibility.

You've become the equal but opposite of what you hate. An absolutist extreme viewpoint

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

None?

This is where left wing supporters lose their credibility.

You've become the equal but opposite of what you hate. An absolutist extreme viewpoint

If not none, what's the number then?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

None?

This is where left wing supporters lose their credibility.

You've become the equal but opposite of what you hate. An absolutist extreme viewpoint

Whilst I am sure there are some deaths in the marijauna camp, it pales in comparison to tobacco.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Neocons will be neocons. It also kinda appears the CPC is unraveling by pushing fear/racism



http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...330506441.html

That the Conservative government keeps a list of Canadians who support other political parties and brands them "enemies of Israel" is more than a little concerning.

Couple that with a phone line where you can report your neighbor for what you see as "barbaric cultural practices" and broader powers for the police state and you're inching closer to Stasi territory.

Different parties have different policies. Always have, always will. But the methods of this government are so un-Canadian it's appalling.

[robbie111]

Another huge issue is occurring with Elections Canada website and where to vote. I have my voting card and it says something different than the website does for where to vote, different town. Got my brother who lives 700 miles away to try and his is different too as is my sisters who lives in Ontario.

What the hell is going on!!!!!!!!!!


If we have another attempt at election fraud I'll be majorily pissed.

Just called the elections 1-866 number and let them know. It better be fixed.

[Kerplunk]

Originally Posted by robbie111

Another huge issue is occurring with Elections Canada website and where to vote. I have my voting card and it says something different than the website does for where to vote, different town. Got my brother who lives 700 miles away to try and his is different too as is my sisters who lives in Ontario.

What the hell is going on!!!!!!!!!!


If we have another attempt at election fraud I'll be majorily pissed.

I read an article on cbc (I think) where Elections Canada says that a number of places in two or three provinces went out with bad info, and to notify them of the issue if you spot it.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/ca...ards-1.3255367

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

None?

This is where left wing supporters lose their credibility.

You've become the equal but opposite of what you hate. An absolutist extreme viewpoint

Extremist? No that's pretty much the consensus among scientific research

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death (has sources from the center for disease control and prevention)

Please please please show me where all these people are dying. Not fearmongering rhetoric but overdoses from marijuana, please, if you're going to slander me with rhetoric you better back it up. I never said it wasn't harmful, in fact I gave detailed responses about the science on specifically how it harms people. Nevertheless it's not an extremist point of view, the overdose numbers are less than 10 in recorded history. The toxicity from cigarettes kills more than that per hour.

"Indeed, epidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."

Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), p. 109.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn...71550&page=109

Harper wants to make the claim that marijuana is more dangerous than tobacco.

"Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death. Worldwide, tobacco use causes nearly 6 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030."

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ts/fast_facts/

6 million to zero, and people take him seriously. I'm not even being pro marijuana here, I'm anti-Harper anti-rhetoric anti-political bull####. Shouldn't something so profoundly ignorant and blatantly erroneous raise concern among the citizens?

[transplant99]

I'm all for legalization of weed and its associated benefits. I also have to agree that OD'ing on the stuff would be next to impossible in 99% of the population.

But don't try and pawn it off as not dangerous or contributing to deaths, that's just plain wrong.

According to a recent study of marijuana use and car accidents, fatal crashes involving people who were stoned have tripled over the last 10 years. The report, published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, found that the incidence of car crash victims with pot in their systems jumped from 4.2 percent in 1999 to 12.2 percent in 2010.

"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana," study co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, told HealthDay. "If this trend continues, in five or six years non-alcohol drugs will overtake alcohol to become the most common substance involved in deaths related to impaired driving."

[edslunch]

Anything you smoke will be bad for you, though hopefully there aren't too many pack a day pot smokers

[AcGold]

Hmmmm seems like you didn't read what I said when I blatantly said "I never said it wasn't harmful" and I've pointed out the dangers before

Good to know we're playing the not reading, making assumptions then slandering people game. Actually perfectly aligns with the topic at hand. Apparently I'm a left winger that thinks marijuana has no danger, glad you guys could clear up what I think for me

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Hmmmm seems like you didn't read what I said when I blatantly said "I never said it wasn't harmful" and I've pointed out the dangers before

Good to know we're playing the not reading, making assumptions then slandering people game. Actually perfectly aligns with the topic at hand.

You should sue. LOL!

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You should sue. LOL!

par for the course. kudos.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm all for legalization of weed and its associated benefits. I also have to agree that OD'ing on the stuff would be next to impossible in 99% of the population.

But don't try and pawn it off as not dangerous or contributing to deaths, that's just plain wrong.

I don't think any of the pro-legalization crowd would argue that driving while high isn't dangerous. The thing is there's nothing about prohibition that prevents people from driving while high, so it's a poor argument against legalization (which I know you're not against but others have used it as a an argument).

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Extremist? No that's pretty much the consensus among scientific research

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death (has sources from the center for disease control and prevention)

Please please please show me where all these people are dying. Not fearmongering rhetoric but overdoses from marijuana, please, if you're going to slander me with rhetoric you better back it up. I never said it wasn't harmful, in fact I gave detailed responses about the science on specifically how it harms people. Nevertheless it's not an extremist point of view, the overdose numbers are less than 10 in recorded history. The toxicity from cigarettes kills more than that per hour.

"Indeed, epidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."

Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), p. 109.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn...71550&page=109

Harper wants to make the claim that marijuana is more dangerous than tobacco.

"Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death. Worldwide, tobacco use causes nearly 6 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030."

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ts/fast_facts/

6 million to zero, and people take him seriously. I'm not even being pro marijuana here, I'm anti-Harper anti-rhetoric anti-political bull####. Shouldn't something so profoundly ignorant and blatantly erroneous raise concern among the citizens?

You are an absolutist and cannot see past your own bias and rhetoric for its failings

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

par for the course. kudos.

Right back at ya!

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think any of the pro-legalization crowd would argue that driving while high isn't dangerous. The thing is there's nothing about prohibition that prevents people from driving while high, so it's a poor argument against legalization (which I know you're not against but others have used it as a an argument).

Yes and I agree...its just that when I see/hear the argument that there are no deaths associated with smoking weed, its simply untrue.

[Dion]

Even with a dearth of research, the general consensus in past decades has been that smoking marijuana regularly poses significant health risks. A new study out of Emory University in Atlanta, however, could challenge what has become the fundamental argument for maintaining the plant’s designation as a Schedule 1 drug.

“Lifetime marijuana use up to 20 joint-years is not associated with adverse changes in spirometric (exhalation strength) measures of lung health,” the study, featured in the medical journal Annals of the American Thoracic Society, concluded.

In an effort to measure marijuana’s impact on lung function, researchers used data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys to conduct a cross-sectional analysis measuring participants’ forced expiratory volume — defined as the amount of air one can forcibly exhale in one second. They found that adults between the ages of 18 and 59 who smoke one marijuana cigarette, also known as a joint, per day had the same expiratory volume as someone who didn’t partake in the plant.

In an effort to measure marijuana’s impact on lung function, researchers used data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys to conduct a cross-sectional analysis measuring participants’ forced expiratory volume — defined as the amount of air one can forcibly exhale in one second. They found that adults between the ages of 18 and 59 who smoke one marijuana cigarette, also known as a joint, per day had the same expiratory volume as someone who didn’t partake in the plant.

The data collected suggests that it’s unlikely that prolonged marijuana use would cause respiratory diseases in a way that smoking tobacco would. While researchers at Emory University found that marijuana users who smoked joints reported coughing and having a sore throat — symptoms of bronchitis — they attributed that to the use of rolling papers, especially since those who used vaporizers reported similar problems less often.

The results of the Emory University study bear a striking similarity to previous research about marijuana’s effects on lung function. In 2012, government researchers found that people who smoked pot daily for seven years didn’t damage their lungs in a manner similar to that of tobacco smokers. A 2013 study conducted by Donald Tashkin, a professor at the University of California Los Angeles who has led long-term studies on the effects of tobacco inhalation, also confirmed that marijuana use alone
didn’t cause significant abnormalities to the lungs.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015...-pot-research/

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You are an absolutist and cannot see past your own bias and rhetoric for its failings

At least he's posting facts to back up his claims. You're just going ad hominem on him.