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Old 10-02-2015, 07:16 PM   #2741
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I'm biased on the topic but I thought Trudeau just schooled Harper on the Marijuana topic.
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I'm biased on the topic but I thought Trudeau just schooled Harper on the Marijuana topic.
I missed it. What was the low down? Did Harper say that the Liberals want to make smoking marijuana mandatory for children?
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The gist of it was about prohibition - do you want your kids buying from criminals or do you want it controlled
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:02 PM   #2744
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Time to realize we've all been fooled by Lynton Crosby's cynical strategy - the Aussie campaign fixer that helps David Cameron by similarly whipping up all sorts of anti muslim hysteria. The fact that the Niqab is an issue being talked about is his doing. This is exactly what he wants to appeal to a certain base (particularly Quebec).

Time to move on.
This stuff is so asinine of the cons. We watch this stuff with regularity south of the border, but I never thought I'd see the day when racism became an actual election tactic in Canada. Fabricating a cultural war for the purposes of being reelected is unbelievably devisive and un-Canadian.

At least it was.
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This stuff is so asinine of the cons. We watch this stuff with regularity south of the border, but I never thought I'd see the day when racism became an actual election tactic in Canada. Fabricating a cultural war for the purposes of being reelected is unbelievably devisive and un-Canadian.

At least it was.
I was talking to my dad the other day and said, "We Canadians have been gleefully making fun of Donald Trump's use of racism and anti-immigrant identity politics to win political support, acting smugly superior as if we're so much better than the Americans because nothing like that would ever happen here, except now Harper is doing the exact same thing and Canadians are falling for it hook, line, and sinker."

I will be absolutely embarrassed for the state of Canadian political discourse if this turns into the defining issue of the election.
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CPC's tactic in this is no lower or higher than those of buying one taxpayer's vote with another taxpayer's money.
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CPC's tactic in this is no lower or higher than those of buying one taxpayer's vote with another taxpayer's money.
You keep banging this drum. Not every promise to spend money is "buying votes". This has been mentioned multiple times.

The cons are actively diverting attention away from legitimate issues and focusing on a total bull#### issue (which Trudeau even pointed out tonight). It's not illegal, but it is incredibly shady and as pointed out by a couple people now, very reminiscent of American politics.
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Incredibly asinine of any party supporters to accuse anyone else of buying votes like they aren't doing it too.

Even worse after the last how many years of running taxpayer funded television ads (one claim I read was $750 million spent on government advertising since 2006) or spending money on bull#### through some of their wasteful economic action plan items. 200k in my neighborhood to build a path through a field and plop a couple extra trees in there so they could slap their big blue sign up.

The narrative of trying to paint the other parties as heavy spenders after running deficits for your whole term is ridiculous. Paul Martin was more fiscally conservative than Stephen Harper has ever been.
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The narrative of trying to paint the other parties as heavy spenders after running deficits for your whole term is ridiculous. Paul Martin was more fiscally conservative than Stephen Harper has ever been.
https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpr...pg?w=620&h=393
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Is that supposed to work against my point somehow - A graphic of the liberals hacking the debt to GDP ratio they inherited from Mulroney in half?

In case you are curious about actual surpluses and deficits here's what they all actually spent:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/ca...2015-1.3042571

I've met so many people on the political extremes who act like their party is a sports team, no matter what they do they will cheer (vote) for them and everybody else is a total idiot. Then on top of it all they have the nerve to spout rhetoric that is factually inaccurate. Harper wearing the fiscal conservative badge is the worst one this go around.
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I've met so many people on the political extremes who act like their party is a sports team, no matter what they do they will cheer (vote) for them and everybody else is a total idiot. Then on top of it all they have the nerve to spout rhetoric that is factually inaccurate. Harper wearing the fiscal conservative badge is the worst one this go around.
The bigger 2010-2012 deficits were a function of the 2009 downturn. Would either NDP or the Libs have run a higher deficits given the same facts and circumstances? Probably but no one can say. Cutting GST by 2%, corporate tax by more than 5%, introducing and increasing TFSA to $10K, to me the Harper CPC is conservative.

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Old 10-02-2015, 11:29 PM   #2753
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Yes, the Liberals massively reduced our debt to GDP ratio and the Conservatives have done no better than to keep it steady. In real terms our national debt under Harper has grown - what is it? $150b?
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The bigger 2010-2012 deficits were a function of the 2009 downturn. Would either NDP or the Libs have run a higher deficits given the same facts and circumstances? Probably but no one can say. Cutting GST by 2%, corporate tax by more than 5%, introducing and increasing TFSA to $10K, to me the Harper CPC is conservative.
No. The Liberals were doing a great job of reducing the deficit and there is no reason to suppose the conservatives would have done better than them in handling the financial crisis.

Also, all Canadians should be extremely thankful that the conservative party didn't have more time in office prior to 2009. It was Canada's lack of financial liberalisation that protected the Canadian economy from suffering to the same extent as others during the financial crisis, but the conservatives were all for financial liberalisation prior to the crash. They were promoting risky practices around the world before the crash, had no inkling that a crash was coming and then have tried to take credit for Canada's resiliency when the actual source of that resiliency was the regulatory systems that long predate their party and which they had been advocating moving away from.
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This stuff is so asinine of the cons. We watch this stuff with regularity south of the border, but I never thought I'd see the day when racism became an actual election tactic in Canada. Fabricating a cultural war for the purposes of being reelected is unbelievably devisive and un-Canadian.

At least it was.
I don't see it as asinine as much as I see it as cynical pragmatism. It is a close election, most people will never be well informed of the issues, policies and practices and the conservatives can dramatically increase their chances of getting votes by appealing to emotional issues such as fears. Fears of the unfamiliar, different, unknown etc.

This is also one of the most troubling aspects of the Harper government's practices in attacking science and reducing access to public information. They are basically chipping away at foundations that help support a well-informed, knowledgeable electorate.

Limiting information enables campaigning based on fear and emotional response rather than a credible vision for the future, so they have found it to be their friend. They've studied what works for conservative parties such as the Republicans and in Australia and they have been successfully putting it into practice in Canada, even to the extent of hiring their outside expert on these practices to turn the current campaign around for them.

Certainly not asinine. Just extremely cynical.
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Did Harper honestly say that marijuana was infinitely worse than tobacco last night? How embarrassingly out of touch.
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Just think about it, a man that says a product that kills millions is better than a product that kills none. Whether you're pro marijuana or not that can't be a good thing to be so incredibly ignorant of scientific research.
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Just think about it, a man that says a product that kills millions is better than a product that kills none. Whether you're pro marijuana or not that can't be a good thing to be so incredibly ignorant of scientific research.
It's completely consistent with what the CPC does though. Ignore all credible evidence and go with your gut instinct when drawing up policy.
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It's completely consistent with what the CPC does though. Ignore all credible evidence and go with your gut instinct when drawing up policy.
Mulcair had a good zinger about this recently, saying that The Harper Government engages in "decision-based fact making".
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It's also another example of Harper and CPC supporter insincerity/hypocrisy. We supposedly care enough about innocent lives being lost to ISIS that we're dropping bombs on foreign soil, yet the innocent people killed and jailed due to drug prohibition, or the harm that would come with Harper's stance on safe-injection sites? That's apparently fine and not a very big issue.
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