2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

What happened to schenn? McGuire hyped the human eraser too high? Toronto started him too young?

Toronto started him too young.

Shouldn't have played in the NHL at 18, it meant he never developed the offensive side of his game, and his defensive play almost regressed as he started to lose confidence.

Perfect example of rushing a young player IMO.

[Da_Chief]

He's too slow. Not a good thing for an NHL dman.

[Poe969]

Do not want either Schenn. I still think the Flames could use a second line winger though and our potential trade bait is Hiller, someone on D, one of the decent prospects that doesn't make the team and Raymond (but he's likely going to be dealt to the lightning for Drouin soon).

Who is out there on the market? Is Okposo really available? He'd be unreal on this team.

[wingmaker]

I think Calgary4Life is right on the money. Not only has Hartley clearly shown his faith in Engelland, Burke in his last interview on the fan listed Engelland as one of Treliving's best moves. Some may think him old and slow, but I would be very surprised if he is moved at all this year.

[Imported_Aussie]

The only trades I can see the Flames making, barring a very good player somehow becoming available:
Goaltender for a pick/prospect still in junior
Raymond + prospect for a pick

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

The only trades I can see the Flames making, barring a very good player somehow becoming available:
Goaltender for a pick/prospect still in junior
Raymond + prospect for a pick

I could see them trading Shore for lower picks if they figure to have to send him down and risk losing him for nothing on waivers.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I could see them trading Shore for lower picks if they figure to have to send him down and risk losing him for nothing on waivers.

I'd like to keep Shore. He's one of many good prospects to come out of the US Development program. Too early to move him out. Move him over to RW instead of C.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I'd like to keep Shore. He's one of many good prospects to come out of the US Development program. Too early to move him out. Move him over to RW instead of C.

Sure, but on RW you have Hudler, Frolik, Jones pretty much cemented. So you have to move Colborne, Bollig or Jooris.

I like Shore a lot and I think he needed a better shot last year - he just didn't catch Hartley's eye IMO. But man it's crowded on this team. So I am anticipating that the team (or his agent) might decide he needs a shot elsewhere. Then they have to trade, because they would have to waive him to let him play in the AHL.

I'd hate to waive him, since (a) the Flames would get nothing and (b) Edmonton might grab him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I still don't think that the Flames would want to move Engelland right now, and I do think that next year enough money comes off the books for them to re-sign who they need, or they will find a way to trade someone else.

Hartley loves Engelland - called him a born leader at last year's training camp. Aside from Smid, the Flames don't have any 'muscle' on the back-end. Engelland has also shown himself to be fairly reliable when given more minutes. Treliving and Burke both feel this team needs some toughness, and Engelland is definitely a player AND has that toughness more so than Bollig, I will argue.

I just don't see it. I think that Engelland is here until his contract expires, and even then the Flames may end up re-signing him to a much lower cap hit if they don't have someone to replace him in that role, or at least use him as the 7th. If anything, Smid will be gone before Engelland, though he would be even more difficult to trade I think.

I don't know there will be enough money to retain all of Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Russell, Colborne without moving out some of the high prices fringe players like Engellend, Smid, Raymond, Stajan. Depending on who you think the number 4 Dman is (Russell) then the bottom 3 D are on the books next year for $11.65M. Our blueline is heavily overpriced next year especially if we keep Russell at around $4M per. If Colborne establishes himself as a top 6 forward he could be in the $3.5M range next year.

It didn't take long but the Flames are a cap team again. They spent $10M on new additions this summer and gave raises to important RFA's. Guys like Engellend, and Smid are already at the bottom of the depth chart. Stajan right now is a 4th line centre and Raymond might not even make the team. The goalies, Jones, and Hudler represent the biggest contracts off the books at the end of the year. Monahan and Gaudreau will certainly be retained but I doubt we see bridge contracts. I think both will be $6-7M cap hits next year.

Losing Hudler and/or Russell because we can't move the likes of Stajan, Raymond, Engellend, Smid and possibly Wideman (NMC) is a concern

[shutout]

[QUOTE=GioforPM;5433263]Sure, but on RW you have Hudler, Frolik, Jones pretty much cemented. So you have to move Colborne, Bollig or Jooris. [QUOTE]

I would rather move Jones. Jones is not a long term solution for this team, but maybe Shore can be. Has shown the ability in the AHL, he just needs the chance to see if he can do it in the NHL.

The Flames needs to remember that this is still a rebuilding team and that there is just as much chance (maybe more) of missing the playoffs this year as making them. They are in no position to start making moves to win and compete this year. What they need to be doing it building towards a competitive window in a couple of years where they will have the youth, depth, and skill to compete for the cup. Until then we should be doing everything we can to still get younger, faster, and more skilled. And dumping youth because of contracts is not the way to go about doing that.

[GioforPM]

[QUOTE=shutout;5433289][QUOTE=GioforPM;5433263]Sure, but on RW you have Hudler, Frolik, Jones pretty much cemented. So you have to move Colborne, Bollig or Jooris.

I would rather move Jones. Jones is not a long term solution for this team, but maybe Shore can be. Has shown the ability in the AHL, he just needs the chance to see if he can do it in the NHL.

The Flames needs to remember that this is still a rebuilding team and that there is just as much chance (maybe more) of missing the playoffs this year as making them. They are in no position to start making moves to win and compete this year. What they need to be doing it building towards a competitive window in a couple of years where they will have the youth, depth, and skill to compete for the cup. Until then we should be doing everything we can to still get younger, faster, and more skilled. And dumping youth because of contracts is not the way to go about doing that.

Jones is defintely more movable with Frolik on the roster (and Colborne filling out).

[Strange Brew]

Yeah the money being paid to our 5,6 and 7 D men and our 4th line and press box players is a problem that needs to be addressed. These guys are useful players but the fact is the Flames were a 16th place team last year. So these guys are bottom tier players on half the teams in the league which is not reflected in their salaries. If some of these guys aren't traded then other option is looking at short term bridge contracts for players like Johnny and Monohan. Or maybe you suck it up and let Hudler walk.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I could see them trading Shore for lower picks if they figure to have to send him down and risk losing him for nothing on waivers.

Shore is the type of player you DO NOT MOVE. He's got a decent ceiling but plays on the edge and knows how to use his size. He could be an absolute stud or at minimum a solid bottom 6 center.

I can't remember which thread but I recall something about many teams asking about Shore and BT was not willing to move him. He's a big body sandpaper type who can put the puck in the net. At this point, he alot more valuable to the Flames than the return would be imo.

It's guys like Stajan, Granlund, Arnold and to a lesser extent Jooris, Klimchuk, etc.. That we have plenty of. But a big body that uses his size is not something you just give away for spare parts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah the money being paid to our 5,6 and 7 D men and our 4th line and press box players is a problem that needs to be addressed. These guys are useful players but the fact is the Flames were a 16th place team last year. So these guys are bottom tier players on half the teams in the league which is not reflected in their salaries. If some of these guys aren't traded then other option is looking at short term bridge contracts for players like Johnny and Monohan. Or maybe you suck it up and let Hudler walk.

In fairness, Jones was fifth on the team in scoring for forwards, 4 points behind Bouma (in 11 less games). I don't think they move him for a Shore quite yet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Shore is the type of player you DO NOT MOVE. He's got a decent ceiling but plays on the edge and knows how to use his size. He could be an absolute stud or at minimum a solid bottom 6 center.

I can't remember which thread but I recall something about many teams asking about Shore and BT was not willing to move him. He's a big body sandpaper type who can put the puck in the net. At this point, he alot more valuable to the Flames than the return would be imo.

It's guys like Stajan, Granlund, Arnold and to a lesser extent Jooris, Klimchuk, etc.. That we have plenty of. But a big body that uses his size is not something you just give away for spare parts.

I didn't say I wanted to move him. But he just seemed like the odd man out last year after the semi-big deal about trading for him. The problem is roster space.

Plus, Stajan is still a better player, Granlund and Jooris have outplayed him so far in the pre-season, Arnold isn't a factor yet. If Shore doesn't play, he sits, and if he sits too long, he's waived.

BT might not want to move him, but if Hartley doesn't trust him either with a start or ice time when he does play, he'd have to act in some fashion.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Do not want either Schenn. I still think the Flames could use a second line winger though and our potential trade bait is Hiller, someone on D, one of the decent prospects that doesn't make the team and Raymond (but he's likely going to be dealt to the lightning for Drouin soon).

Who is out there on the market? Is Okposo really available? He'd be unreal on this team.

It's not like Brayden has lived up to his billing. It wasn't long ago THN had him ranked as the best player outside the NHL. He looks like a 2nd line center at best line in the NHL which isn't bad but not he was billed as an elite player. Reminds me of the Reinhart brothers who seem to not be able to translate great junior careers into the pros. Maybe Max will be different.......or not.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I'd like to keep Shore. He's one of many good prospects to come out of the US Development program. Too early to move him out. Move him over to RW instead of C.

I'm also hoping they can keep Shore. I feel he has the makings of a very good utility player.

[heep223]

I personally think Jones is going to surprise people and be a real contributor this season, and be an important power forward. Don't trade Stajan either we need him for depth down the middle and he's a great vet. He can play anywhere in the lineup if necessary. IMO the only real "expensive" guy who doesn't have a role is Raymond.

[GioforPM]

So who among the NHL calibre forwards competing for spots are not waiver eligible? That's getting to be a pretty short list.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So who among the NHL calibre forwards competing for spots are not waiver eligible? That's getting to be a pretty short list.

Bennett, Poirier, and Klimchuk off the top of my head.