[Signing] Ferland and Flames agree to 2 year 825K AAV 1 way deal

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Lucic would decimate 210 pound Ferland, it wouldn't be much of a fight. Ferland's training for speed, skill and physicality whereas Lucic gives zero ####s and has a drastic strength and experience advantage. I'd bet a lot of money on that one, he wouldn't hold his own. He'd hold on for dear life if the fight happened, huge mismatch.

Only one that can take him is Engelland.

I disagree for one big reason. Ferland is the rare guy that has a true one punch knockout punch and he's shown it pretty consistently.

If he gets an opening he ends fights.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

First of all, very happy that he is signed, so that it doesn't derail his training camp.

Second, great deal for the Flames, as they don't have to re-address this next summer.

As for this...



I don't agree. Ferland is as tough as nails. He most likely loses the first altercation due to experience. But I have little doubt that he would own Lucic - or anyone else - in relatively short order.

It isn't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

You clearly have very little experience fighting. I'd bet a significant chunk of money on Lucic winning that fight, especially considering that Ferland is outweighed and only fought twice last year, neither of which were demonstrations of elite fighting ability. Lucic is top 10 in the league....

as is Engelland now. When 30+ enforcers left the league guys like Lucic got a hell of a lot tougher. Imagine Ferland fighting Engelland, mismatch by a fair margin. And I love Ferly, couldn't be happier about this signing but he's no elite fighter by any stretch.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by AcGold

You clearly have very little experience fighting. I'd bet a significant chunk of money on Lucic winning that fight, especially considering that Ferland is outweighed and only fought twice last year, neither of which were demonstrations of elite fighting ability. Lucic is top 10 in the league....

as is Engelland now. When 30+ enforcers left the league guys like Lucic got a hell of a lot tougher. Imagine Ferland fighting Engelland, mismatch by a fair margin. And I love Ferly, couldn't be happier about this signing but he's no elite fighter by any stretch.

Ferland had 5 fights last season, one against a guy who checks in at 6'8 235 pounds.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I beg to differ on Ferland's fighting abilities. He is a fighter much in the same way as PL3 or whatever his name was. He will grab on, and the opponent ends up throwing more punches. Then Ferland usually ends up unwinding with heavy punches - with frequent knockouts. He absolutely has knockout power, and I laughed so hard at Canuck fans bragging on how Bieksa tuned him. They have no clue how close Bieksa was to having his lunch fed to him had the refs not intervened.

Will Lucic win? Probably - he is more experienced. However, if Lucic isn't aware that Ferland has knockout power, Lucic will fall. Simple as that.

Now, aside from the fisticuffs, great signing. Ferland has very good speed, kid can really dangle too (just wait until he gets more comfortable out there) and has a beauty of a shot. Decent playmaker too. He checks so many boxes in a list. I said it a couple of years ago - Ferland will be a fan favorite for years to come. He has already started becoming one after he obliterated the Canucks in the playoffs, but once he starts scoring those timely goals, and starts sticking up more for guys like Bennett (who will just agitate as well) or Gaudreau (who some guys will just try to take liberties with to get him off his game), he will really come into his own.

I don't know if statistically he will ever be a 'franchise type' player, but I think most posters here within a couple of years will feel he is irreplaceable and definitely part of the core. This season will be even more fun to watch I think.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I disagree for one big reason. Ferland is the rare guy that has a true one punch knockout punch and he's shown it pretty consistently.

If he gets an opening he ends fights.

I think there was a team mate in junior that attested to this. Nobody knew Ferland in his early years, goon's would pick a fight, and it ended with the non-Ferland guy laying on the ice staring at rafters wondering where he was. Quickly got a reputation for being a one punch knockout. I have been trying to find the article.

[badradio]

Great "siging!" I'm excited to see a full year of Ferland.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Ferland had 5 fights last season, one against a guy who checks in at 6'8 235 pounds.

Keep your facts and figures to yourself please.

[MissTeeks]

[FBI]

The question about what Ferland's other goal was, it was a beauty slapper from the left side I think early in the game? It was a pretty important goal I think.

[Gaskal]

That part when Ferland is in his suit walking is sooooo much better when you mute sound and play "Stayin Alive" - Bee Gees instead.

[CroFlames]

I like how he singled out Gratts as an influencing force in his life. Cements the sentiments on this board that Gratts was a huge positive influence on the young guys.

EDIT: PS - I love Connie.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I like how he singled out Gratts as an influencing force in his life. Cements the sentiments on this board that Gratts was a huge positive influence on the young guys.

And Monahan referred to him as well in his TSN interview, being a good guy, prankster, friend outside the rink.


Keep hearing he's a good influence on the kids. Seems like those rumours are true.

[Goodlad]

I'd probably just drop the Lucic/Ferland stuff. AcGold seems to think Lucic has super-human abilities


http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ic#post4534431

Originally Posted by AcGold

again, a fundamental ignorance of martial arts and fighting. The fact that Lucic fights regularly is such a huge factor that no one is landing that lucky punch because even if you do hit him he has the muscle memory to know what to do. Case in point; the fact that he said the guy hit him a bunch of times and he had not a scratch on his face. The ability to know how to react when getting attacked based on experience makes him physiologically nearly unbeatable without a weapon, denying as much shows unfamiliarity with the subject at hand. Lucic has been in over 50 fights on the ice and that alone is nearly enough to make it almost impossible to hurt him. You'd have to hit him with a sucker punch when he's not looking or use a weapon.

Edit: Wow, that was a real train-wreck of a thread.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Treliving does it again, great deal.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by 868904

Bollig is the perfect 13th forward. YOu don't want Granlund or Poirier sitting in the press box for 30 or 40 games a year.

Plus with Lucic in the Pacific now and it looks like long term too, you will need guys like Bollig and Engelland around. Ferland is tough but he's going to get murdered if he has to deal with Lucic. Rather have Bollig or Engelland take Lucic off for 5 then any other player on the roster.

All the truculent haters are looking at it all wrong. Bollig and Engelland are there to be used and abused (ie, sitting in the pressbox, sitting in the penalty box, fighting). You don't want good players or young players doing that.

Having seen Ferland fight, Lucic would not murder him. It would actually be a good fight I think. I would want to be there if it happens.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I'd probably just drop the Lucic/Ferland stuff. AcGold seems to think Lucic has super-human abilities


http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ic#post4534431


Edit: Wow, that was a real train-wreck of a thread.

If you think standard fighting abilities attained through over a decade of fighting is super human you don't know anything about fighting.

Now, if Ferland focused his training on fighting and packing on weight he'd probably be a close match but Ferland lost a ton of weight and is focusing on the skill game. Fighting is dwindling and he wants to carve out a career.

2 fights in the season what I meant obv, but let's be obtuse for no reason. Lucic has 30+ NHL fights and Ferland has 3.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by AcGold

If you think standard fighting abilities attained through over a decade of fighting is super human you don't know anything about fighting.

Now, if Ferland focused his training on fighting and packing on weight he'd probably be a close match but Ferland lost a ton of weight and is focusing on the skill game. Fighting is dwindling and he wants to carve out a career.

2 fights in the season what I meant obv, but let's be obtuse for no reason. Lucic has 30+ NHL fights and Ferland has 3.

...Ferland has 44 hockey fights in his last 5 seasons. You're speaking as if he's a bruiser that never backs it up.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by AcGold

You clearly have very little experience fighting.

Originally Posted by AcGold

If you think standard fighting abilities attained through over a decade of fighting is super human you don't know anything about fighting.

So obvious question at this point... what do you know about fighting, why are you the expert and what is your experience?

Seem awfully dismissive of anyone else on the matter.

[Geeoff]

If he plays like he did against Vancouver, this is a huge steal. Could be a 30 point guy who leaves bodies in his wake. Excited for what he brings this year.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

If he plays like he did against Vancouver, this is a huge steal. Could be a 30 point guy who leaves bodies in his wake. Excited for what he brings this year.

Yep - Connie in his interview stated that he thinks Ferland has 20 goal potential. As he mentioned it is all about consistency and having the drive and focus to bring it every night.