[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[Dr. Doom]

I'm no rocket ship surgeon but I'm pretty sure if Kane is working on a settlement this is a no-win situation. His image is forever tarnished here...

There's an audio segment up on TSN that suggests the Blackhawks could separate from Kane its getting that bad:

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-126...-kane-1.357785

[polak]

Actually the fact that they're both far apart screams to me that there is probably no case against Kane besides the victims word and the fact that they had sex.

You can't be "far apart" unless you believe you're in a position of strength. I don't think you mess with holding out if there is a real threat of jail in your future.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by polak

Actually the fact that they're both far apart screams to me that there is probably no case against Kane besides the victims word and the fact that they had sex.

You can't be "far apart" unless you believe you're in a position of strength. I don't think you mess with holding out if there is a real threat of jail in your future.

Thats one way of interpretate it I guess. It's the first negotiation session. Just exepting the first number thrown out there could scream guilty. He is going to putup a fight either way. She could be asking for more than he is willing to pay whether he is guilty or not. His legal team could be trying to strong arm her into excepting a lower settlement in return for not dragging her through the mud in a trial.

The point I'm trying to make is your interpretation is. Blaming a potential victim when chances are just as likely Kane is being a dirt bag after a possible crime. Without a trial we will never find out the actual truth.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hackey, the victim was trashed in the Tyson case, the Kobe case, the Steubenville case, the Jerramy Stevens case, etc.

Couldn't tell you a single thing about any of them. People remember the celebrity not the victim. If your excuse for letting a rapist walk is your afraid your name will be trashed that sounds awfully flimsy to me. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried about much. Regardless if you go to trial or not your gonna have people make their own conclusions and think what they want about you. At least in one scenario you do the right thing. Maybe she has something to hide. Maybe some cash is what she wanted from the very start.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Thats one way of interpretate it I guess. It's the first negotiation session. Just exepting the first number thrown out there could scream guilty. He is going to putup a fight either way. She could be asking for more than he is willing to pay whether he is guilty or not. His legal team could be trying to strong arm her into excepting a lower settlement in return for not dragging her through the mud in a trial.

The point I'm trying to make is your interpretation is. Blaming a potential victim when chances are just as likely Kane is being a dirt bag after a possible crime. Without a trial we will never find out the actual truth.

I think thats sort of the point being discussed, even with a trial we may never find out the actual truth.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Couldn't tell you a single thing about any of them. People remember the celebrity not the victim. If your excuse for letting a rapist walk is your afraid your name will be trashed that sounds awfully flimsy to me.

Unless of course you're family, friend, co-worker, prospective employer, potential date or casual acquantince who decides to google the name. You know people who actually matter to the victim.

Having to relive the event, and then be discredited by a lawyer who's plan of attack is to make you out to be a lying slut is an unfortunate, but certainly reasonable, reason not to want to take the stand.

There's been no real evidence and a vast number of anonymous people have called her a gold digger, accused her of being a drunk hussy, jersey chaser, and any other number of victim-blaming stereotypes. So it's not going to get better for her when the lawyer drags up every indiscretion they can find and confront her with it. And all this with out any reassurance that anything actually happens to her attacker. Of course that's if she was telling the truth.

The reverse is true with Kane, he's been called a rapist by a vast number of anonymous internet users without any evidence. He'll be confronted and questioned and made to look like a monster by the prosecutor. He'll have his name dragged through the mud and the potential to be locked away.

There's reasons for both sides, regardless of their innocence, to want to settle.

[Hackey]

Gonna suck reliving the moment every time she spends a dollar of his money. Or maybe that's a sweeter victory than having a criminal actually pay for their crimes.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Couldn't tell you a single thing about any of them. People remember the celebrity not the victim. If your excuse for letting a rapist walk is your afraid your name will be trashed that sounds awfully flimsy to me. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried about much. Regardless if you go to trial or not your gonna have people make their own conclusions and think what they want about you. At least in one scenario you do the right thing. Maybe she has something to hide. Maybe some cash is what she wanted from the very start.

We don't even know the woman's name and people have, from the get-go, called her a gold-digger, a liar, and a slut. Seems like having everyone know your name could be something to worry about.

Anyway, does anyone remember what the cab driver Kane assaulted was wearing?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I'm no rocket ship surgeon but I'm pretty sure if Kane is working on a settlement this is a no-win situation. His image is forever tarnished here

Image is one thing, being guilty and buying your way out of rape is another. 99.9% of people would be doing a few years in jail. And really, when has Kane cared about his image.?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

@news4buffalo: Just in: A News 4 source confirms both sides of the Pat Kane rape investigation have sat down for settlement talks, however are far apart.

I've heard the starting point is 8 years 72 million.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

@news4buffalo: Just in: A News 4 source confirms both sides of the Pat Kane rape investigation have sat down for settlement talks, however are far apart.

now conflicting reports

‏@ScottLevinWGRZ
SOURCE: Still NO talks have taken place AT ALL between #patrickkane lawyers and alleged rape victim. @WGRZ
Despite reports to the contrary

he's the evening new anchor in Buffalo, not a sports guy

[schooner]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Lawyers ain't so bad, I'm just venting after mine let me down. I used Chareth Cutestory for a civil case, not knowing his expertise is mostly Martime law.

Martime law? Should have gone with this guy:

[justafan]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

No....because you would be dead

oddly enough, rape and murder go together quite often. This is weird getting so much information and not really sure its real.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Unless of course you're family, friend, co-worker, prospective employer, potential date or casual acquantince who decides to google the name. You know people who actually matter to the victim.

Having to relive the event, and then be discredited by a lawyer who's plan of attack is to make you out to be a lying slut is an unfortunate, but certainly reasonable, reason not to want to take the stand.

There's been no real evidence and a vast number of anonymous people have called her a gold digger, accused her of being a drunk hussy, jersey chaser, and any other number of victim-blaming stereotypes. So it's not going to get better for her when the lawyer drags up every indiscretion they can find and confront her with it. And all this with out any reassurance that anything actually happens to her attacker. Of course that's if she was telling the truth.

The reverse is true with Kane, he's been called a rapist by a vast number of anonymous internet users without any evidence. He'll be confronted and questioned and made to look like a monster by the prosecutor. He'll have his name dragged through the mud and the potential to be locked away.

There's reasons for both sides, regardless of their innocence, to want to settle.

Doesn't this happen with every rape case that goes to trial? I mean it may not be as public but I'm sure a lot of rape cases have the lawyer trying to make the girl out to be a lying slut. Is the fear of that stronger then the need for justice? Sure, people are going to google her name and find out but I'm sure a lot of people find out about non celebrity rape cases too. More people will likely side with Kane because more people are fans of Kane then of the alleged victim but if anything that should make her want to clear her name more.

I honestly think that if she takes a pay out, more people will see her as a gold digger than a victim seeking justice.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Doesn't this happen with every rape case that goes to trial?

Sure, which is one of the reasons that rape goes unreported so significantly.

Originally Posted by Poe969

Is the fear of that stronger then the need for justice?

There's rape victims who can't talk about the abuse they suffered in a safe, private room with their therapist. Taking the stand in front of their attacker, having to try and remember every single detail of the rape and then be scrutinized by the defense would be an absolute harrowing experience for any rape victim. Throw in the media ####storm that would follow with a high-profile person like Kane, and yes, the emotional distress could easily outweigh the need for justice in the mind of a rape victim.

Originally Posted by Poe969

Sure, people are going to google her name and find out but I'm sure a lot of people find out about non celebrity rape cases too. More people will likely side with Kane because more people are fans of Kane then of the alleged victim but if anything that should make her want to clear her name more.

If we're talking about large scale, her name isn't even out yet. That's another risk with the trial.

[Poe969]

I do agree with what you're saying but that isn't always the case. Sure there are some victims who can't talk about it even with a therapist but then there are some that lead support groups and speak to crowds about their experience. Personally, I think it would hurt more to try and hide it from people than step forward and explain what happened and tell people that you won't be a victim anymore. If she comes out now and people know who she is, she can deal with things...it'll likely be a complete ####storm like you said but she can deal with it and face it head on. If she decides to not go public and take the money, that's her prerogative. She'll likely be able to life a somewhat normal life for the time being, but like the whole Ashley Madison bs going on, your dirty little secrets are going to be made public sooner or later. Someone will find out who she is and make a big deal out of it, and it won't happen on her terms. Maybe she'll be in a great relationship and have an amazing job and then crap hits the fan and people find out and it ruins things. I'm the kind of person that would rather deal with things on my terms and face them head on. I do understand that that's just me and I respect her right to do whatever she decides but personally, I wouldn't agree with not seeing this through right now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If she comes out now and people know who she is, she can deal with things...
I'm the kind of person that would rather deal with things on my terms and face them head on...
I wouldn't agree with not seeing this through right now.

Have you been raped and taken the stand? If you haven't, I don't think you can discuss how you would approach it. And you should stop talking about how you would personally do it and how she, if what she said was true, should handle it.

[justafan]

The rape victims who lead support groups and visit and council others only can do so after they have been treated and got strong enough to help others. There is a lot of trauma, physical and emotional. People feel very guilty and blame themselves often for getting into the situation that led up to the assault. It takes strength to go to court and face it all.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Gonna suck reliving the moment every time she spends a dollar of his money. Or maybe that's a sweeter victory than having a criminal actually pay for their crimes.

Sorry, but I don't think you get the big picture.

The reason that many other women have decided against pressing charges, and going through a trial, is not only will their personal life be disclosed for the world to see, but she will be threatened directly or indirectly by either big names in pro hockey, or even worse, some fanatical hockey fans.

It happen in the Roethlisberger case a few years ago. The victim feared for her life, and decided to take the settlement. Sadly, in these types of cases, money and power usually trump justice.

[Poe969]

wow, take it easy here. I'm saying this is my opinion, not law or right or wrong or whatever. I guess I should have said "this is how I think I would...." I'm sure there are more people who get raped and never talk about it but that isn't always the case. Without knowing who this person is, we can't assume that she is either weak willed or strong willed without knowing her character. She did come forward to the police though so if this is all true, that's a step in the right direction because if she was afraid of everything coming into light, she would likely just never talk about it. And I do feel I know a little of the subject as someone very close to me was a victim of rape and had to deal with everything that went along with it.

Some people are going to feel guilty and blame themselves and try to hide what happened and not want anyone to know about it. Some will be the opposite. I think that I would react one way. I don't know how she'll react but if this is all true and she was a victim, I hope she gets the help she needs and has a chance to move on in life. If this isn't true and she is just doing it for the money, I hope she's exposed but still gets the help she needs to realize how wrong it is to accuse someone of this.