The other interviews are all probably similar in regards to urgency. The LPC position was always humanitarian aid and refugee assistance. In fact, they suggested a long time ago that money being put into military action should instead be used in Turkey to assist the refugee crisis there and stop an en masse migration.
I think he is just using it as political capital. If the other leaders do not accept a meeting to do something, then they look like they are bluffing with their intentions and don't care as much about the crisis. If they accept it, Trudeau looks like a man of action and that he is an alpha leader. It's a win-win.
I agree on your conclusion, but I'm also guessing Mulcair may have a fair amount to say about refugees and I believe his was taped last, so he went into it more informed on public sentiment/outrage. It doesn't hurt for Trudeau to talk it up more, is all I'm saying.
Yeah, more a loss since whatever was on the grid for the CPC today has been replaced with Tories pissing in mugs and ejaculate talk... that's not really the news cycle they want.
If the CPC ever gain any traction, and I'm not even sure they really have, something stupid comes up and they slip further into the hole.
The CPC machine was supposed to leverage the long campaign as a strength. So far, the opposite has been the case.
So you're saying you support dumping raw sewage in the ocean?
Not per se, but in this case (and similar cases around the world), absolutely!
Gotta love the sanctimonious right-wing cowboys who suddenly feel a touch of environmentalism in their bodies when they hear we "poo in our ocean".
But hey, let's spend a billion dollars on a project that is far worse for the environment. I guess that is exactly the kind of logic that appeals to sanctimonious right-wing cowboys.
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Not per se, but in this case (and similar cases around the world), absolutely!
Gotta love the sanctimonious right-wing cowboys who suddenly feel a touch of environmentalism in their bodies when they hear we "poo in our ocean".
But hey, let's spend a billion dollars on a project that is far worse for the environment. I guess that is exactly the kind of logic that appeals to sanctimonious right-wing cowboys.
It's a link to an article in The Tyee, including quotes from a science policy advisor from the David Suzuki Foundation. Not exactly a "sanctimonious right-wing cowboy" kind of deal.
I know it's fun to blame Alberta for lots of things, but you can't blame us for dumping 150 million liters of raw sewage in the Pacific every day. That's on Victoria. Although you do say it's an environmental strategy that is the envy of environmentalists everywhere, I find that a little hard to stomach. No pun intended.
Anyway, speaking of sanctimonious, this whole "blame Alberta for selling us the stuff we use" reminds me of the Americans blaming Colombian farmers for the drug problem. Like, you know, just stop using it if you don't like it. Don't blame the people that make it. You'll feel sanctimonious, and you'll make us poor. Win win.
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Not per se, but in this case (and similar cases around the world), absolutely!
Gotta love the sanctimonious right-wing cowboys who suddenly feel a touch of environmentalism in their bodies when they hear we "poo in our ocean".
But hey, let's spend a billion dollars on a project that is far worse for the environment. I guess that is exactly the kind of logic that appeals to sanctimonious right-wing cowboys.
Calling me a sanctimonious right-wing cowboy is laughable. I understand that the situation is controversial with proponents on both sides with even Washington State calling for action.
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Washington Governor Jay Inslee sent a letter to Premier Christy Clark demanding she order local Victoria-area governments to step in after more than 20 years of debates and promises about treating the region’s sewage.
“It is now more than 20 years since your province agreed to implement wastewater treatment in greater Victoria, and yet today Victoria still lacks any treatment beyond screening,” Gov. Inslee wrote in a three-page letter to Ms. Clark.
“Delaying this work to 2020 is not acceptable.”
The propaganda campaign continues from the people in Victoria that want to stop the idea of doing better sewage treatment. For those not current on this problem, Victoria is the only major metropolitan area in the entire Salish Sea that is not treating their sewage, but dumping approx. 82 Million liters of raw sewage a day, into the Strait of Juan de Fuca. There have been numerous letters from noted scientists, politicians, citizen activists, and average people, demanding a change to this and the building of a sewage treatment plant. This has been going on for decades, as the problem worsens.
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Additionally, let’s review more facts of today, not 1991 (which Dr. Peck relies on).
Environment Canada has closed 60 square kilometers around the outfalls to all shellfish harvest;
The plume from the outfalls hits the water surface under various conditions, which raises concerns for humans who are engaging in primary contact recreation in these areas (wind and kite surfers)
Toxicity tests show that Victoria’s sewage is toxic to rainbow trout fry, water fleas, blue mussel larvae, and oyster larvae;
Nineteen chemicals found in the sewage are found on the seafloor and exceed the Contaminated Sites Regulation. For any one exceedances a site is considered to be sufficiently contaminated to be designated as a contaminated site;
Twenty-eight chemicals found in Victoria’s sewage are in concentrations that exceed water quality guidelines for the protection of fish and aquatic life, some exceed the guidelines by nearly 85 times;
Toxicity tests at Macaulay Point outfall indicated exposure to sediments from this location resulted in significantly reduced survival or growth of polychaete worms and survival and normal development of blue mussel larvae; and
No studies have been conducted in the vicinity of the two outfalls to evaluate the effects of pharmaceuticals and personal care products on aquatic organisms or aquatic-dependent wildlife.
BC loves to claim some moral high ground when it comes to the environment, but when you actually dig into things it becomes apparent who is sanctimonious.
BC loves to claim some moral high ground when it comes to the environment, but when you actually dig into things it becomes apparent who is sanctimonious.
Kind of like how they call Albertan's Rednecks, then you go pretty much anywhere outside the coast and Okanagan region and.......wow.
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It's a link to an article in The Tyee, including quotes from a science policy advisor from the David Suzuki Foundation. Not exactly a "sanctimonious right-wing cowboy" kind of deal.
I know it's fun to blame Alberta for lots of things, but you can't blame us for dumping 150 million liters of raw sewage in the Pacific every day. That's on Victoria. Although you do say it's an environmental strategy that is the envy of environmentalists everywhere, I find that a little hard to stomach. No pun intended.
Anyway, speaking of sanctimonious, this whole "blame Alberta for selling us the stuff we use" reminds me of the Americans blaming Colombian farmers for the drug problem. Like, you know, just stop using it if you don't like it. Don't blame the people that make it. You'll feel sanctimonious, and you'll make us poor. Win win.
I wasn't calling anybody who disagreed with me a sanctimonious whatever. I just find it rich when extremists like Eldrick come in the thread with the holier than thou routine. I wasn't referencing anyone but him. Certainly not David Suzuki, or you, or any other reasonable posters.
David Suzuki, however, is not a marine scientist. He is not an authority on this topic, and should not be treated as such.
I'm not sure what Alberta has to do with this. I'm not anti-oil sands. That wasn't my point.
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Calling me a sanctimonious right-wing cowboy is laughable. I understand that the situation is controversial with proponents on both sides with even Washington State calling for action.
Jay Inslee's opinion does not matter here. Seattle's mayor's opinion doesn't matter. Port Angeles doesn't matter. None of them are affected at all and their opinions are nothing more than anti-science ignorance.
Let's go through these points:
The propaganda campaign continues from the people in Victoria that want to stop the idea of doing better sewage treatment. For those not current on this problem, Victoria is the only major metropolitan area in the entire Salish Sea that is not treating their sewage, but dumping approx. 82 Million liters of raw sewage a day, into the Strait of Juan de Fuca.
This comment says nothing substantive. "Dumping sewage" isn't, in itself, a bad thing. To treat it as such is to beg the question. Unfortunately, this is what many "arguments" wholly consist of. I call this the "eewwww poo" argument. It's unsophisticated, ignorant, and wouldn't even be worth rebutting if so many people didn't hold it. People have to get away from this visceral disapprobation they feel when faced with our sewage question. What your reaction is literally doesn't matter. A million voices screaming "ewww poo" do not change the science. Science is not democratic, nor does it take note of your disapprobation.
There have been numerous letters from noted scientists, politicians, citizen activists, and average people, demanding a change to this and the building of a sewage treatment plant. This has been going on for decades, as the problem worsens.
Letters from politicians, citizen activists, and "average people" do not matter. They are inconsequential.
I would love to see these letters from scientists. Along with their credentials.
Environment Canada has closed 60 square kilometers around the outfalls to all shellfish harvest;
But is this due to the sewage, or other sources (street run-off/garbage dumping/others)?
The plume from the outfalls hits the water surface under various conditions, which raises concerns for humans who are engaging in primary contact recreation in these areas (wind and kite surfers)
This is very rare, and occurs less than 5% of the time at one of the outfalls, and less than 2% of the time at the other. Sure, it "raises concerns", but there is no evidence of it ever affecting anything (a major study has been done, in fact). And again, much of the "danger" comes from street run-off.
Toxicity tests show that Victoria’s sewage is toxic to rainbow trout fry, water fleas, blue mussel larvae, and oyster larvae;
Again, very likely to be street run-off/garbage dumping/other sources, which is far more dangerous than the "raw sewage" - which is 99.93% water.
Nineteen chemicals found in the sewage are found on the seafloor and exceed the Contaminated Sites Regulation. For any one exceedances a site is considered to be sufficiently contaminated to be designated as a contaminated site;
Twenty-eight chemicals found in Victoria’s sewage are in concentrations that exceed water quality guidelines for the protection of fish and aquatic life, some exceed the guidelines by nearly 85 times;
Toxicity tests at Macaulay Point outfall indicated exposure to sediments from this location resulted in significantly reduced survival or growth of polychaete worms and survival and normal development of blue mussel larvae;
Chemicals are far more likely to come from other sources than from sewage. There is definitely more we can do to stop the chemicals from run-off getting into the ocean. This is another issue, though.
I'll leave you with this gem:
"A model study prepared for the BC/Washington Marine Science Panel in 1994 by Seattle Oceanographer E.D. Cokelet (Note: Actual marine scientists!) indicated that dissolved effluent (sewage) concentrations in the waters off Victoria originated primarily from Vancouver (100 ppm or 52.1%), Seattle (83 ppm or 43.2%) with less than 5% originating from Victoria (9 ppm). If sewage proves to be a problem in our waters (it hasn’t to date), then maybe we should look seriously at where most of it is coming from."
In the end, sewage treatment is simply a non-issue, an old canard that plays on our primal fear of human feces. When you actually do some digging, you quickly realize that Victoria is incredibly lucky to have a natural system that is safe, environmentally friendly, incredibly cheap, socially responsible and sustainable.
Edit: Had to add this awesome quote: “Victoria can boast of having the finest and most effective sewage treatment system in North America” (Dr Jack Littlepage, University of Victoria Oceanographer).
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I wasn't calling anybody who disagreed with me a sanctimonious whatever. I just find it rich when extremists like Eldrick come in the thread with the holier than thou routine. I wasn't referencing anyone but him. Certainly not David Suzuki, or you, or any other reasonable posters.
David Suzuki, however, is not a marine scientist. He is not an authority on this topic, and should not be treated as such.
I'm not sure what Alberta has to do with this. I'm not anti-oil sands. That wasn't my point.
Extremist? That's funny. I'd say an extremist is someone who takes an indefensible position and tries to defend it.
Defending dumping raw sewage in the ocean would be a good example of extremism.
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Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says he will cease to be prime minister if his party comes a close second in the Oct. 19 election, signalling he will not resort to any procedural tactics to remain in power.
In a wide-ranging interview with CBC Chief Correspondent Peter Mansbridge, Harper was asked whether the party with the most seats should take power in a minority government situation.
"My position has always been if we win the most seats I will expect to form the government and if we don't, I won't," Harper said.
Extremist? That's funny. I'd say an extremist is someone who takes an indefensible position and tries to defend it.
Defending dumping raw sewage in the ocean would be a good example of extremism.
I see you haven't bothered to read anything I wrote. I'll make it easy for you, here's one page to bring you up to speed:
It's not my fault you can't get past the knuckle-dragging "eww poo" position.
I'll repeat this: “Victoria can boast of having the finest and most effective sewage treatment system in North America” (Dr Jack Littlepage, University of Victoria Oceanographer).
That's not a tree hugger, or keyboard cowboy, or governor of Washington; that is a marine scientist, the beginning and end to authority when it comes to the issue.
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Not surprising he'd say this, as he has the most to lose if a coalition were to occur.
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Calling me a sanctimonious right-wing cowboy is laughable.
In this case, it is also grossly hypocritical given Evman is the single most sanctimonious poster in Calgarypuck history. And that is saying something.
I agree, BCers are sanctimonious when it comes to the environment, but logging and forestry are heavy industries that are very much NOT environmental friendly, except for the fact that trees are renewable.
