Ranking the Canadian Teams

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

First of all, if you read your post in the tone of an overtired 6 year old it sounds awesome.

second of all to the boarded, no Frolik is just plain better then Pouliot especially as a two way forward, and has a better work ethic.

Bennett actually got to the NHL and looked like an NHL player and contributed, Drai was clearly not ready, and I wouldn't trade Bennett for Drai and nobody would. Backlund is considered to be a very good two way forward, what has Yak done except flounder.

I wouldn't even come close to trading our three that you listed for your three, and that isn't homerism, that's common sense.

Right, but the Oilers have 4 legit top six forwards, Flames have 3. The others could be argued as 2/3 line players.

So with that in mind the trade isn't what I meant. I'm just saying that Flames forwards are not as drastically better than what was originally posted.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you incapable of discussing something without the whining and insults?

And no one said the Flames were the best.

However, the Flames are more balanced and well-rounded (a point you continue to struggle with), while the Oilers are one-dimensional.

It isn't all on the defense - their whole team is poorly constructed.

Relax, and discuss rather than searching for my tone of voice.

I am as die hard Flames fan as the next but I do recognize and respect the strengths of the Oilers. I can't stand them, but I do see their goal scoring potential as probably the best in the pacific.

It's not what they have done but what they could do as early as this year.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If we're ranking in terms of who I think would win a game on any given day as of right now,

Winnipeg
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Ottawa
Edmonton
Toronto

If we're ranking in terms of overall organizational health,

Winnipeg
Calgary
Montreal
Edmonton
Ottawa
Toronto
Vancouver

[getbak]

Flames are #1.


All others are Number Two (that means poop).

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If we're ranking in terms of who I think would win a game on any given day as of right now,

Winnipeg
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Ottawa
Edmonton
Toronto

If we're ranking in terms of overall organizational health,

Winnipeg
Calgary
Montreal
Edmonton
Ottawa
Toronto
Vancouver

Why Vancouver over Calgary for any given day?

Calgary just beat them in 6 games, and improved the team in the off season.
Vancouver remained status quo and got older. What changes do you see that would change the results of that playoff series?

[Jets4Life]

If the Jets choose to elevate hellebuyck into the starting lineup:

1. Winnipeg
2. Calgary
3. Montreal
4. Ottawa
5. Edmonton
6. Vancouver
7. Toronto


If the Jets choose to leave hellebuyck in the AHL:

1. Calgary
2. Montreal
3. Winnipeg
4. Ottawa
5. Edmonton
6. Vancouver
7. Toronto

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

We all know that goal scoring is a team based stat. The Oilers Defensman's lack of ability to make a proper first pass, coupled with no one to QB the PP is their reason for a lack of goal scoring.

To say that their forward group is a C with the likes of McDavid, Hall, Eberle, RNH, Pouliot, Yakupov, Draisaitl, would be very Homeresque.

I hate the Oilers, but their skill at forward is to be feared. If they had the Flames D, they would be scoring at will.

Sure you do

[Stud_McCool]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

If the Jets choose to elevate hellebuyck into the starting lineup:

1. Winnipeg
2. Calgary
3. Montreal
4. Ottawa
5. Edmonton
6. Vancouver
7. Toronto


If the Jets choose to leave hellebuyck in the AHL:

1. Calgary
2. Montreal
3. Winnipeg
4. Ottawa
5. Edmonton
6. Vancouver
7. Toronto

You think Hellebuyck has a higher Moses percentage than McDavid?

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

You think Hellebuyck has a higher Moses percentage than McDavid?

Of course not.

However, Pavelec is mediocre, and players figured out Hutch after ASG. Hellebuyck has what it takes to become a future Vezina Trophy winner.

I just pray the Jets don't pull a "Vancouver" and trade him away before he gets his chance to shine.

[calgaryblood]

What have the Jets done that gets them ranked so high?

[FireGilbert]

1. Montreal: MVP goalie, solid defence and a balanced forward group. Should be a contender to come out of the East.
2. Calgary: Improving team with solid prospects and had a great off season. Look to be a playoff lock in the weak Pacific division.
3. Winnipeg: Improving team that also has solid prospects but did not do much in the off season and is relying on younger players to step up. Would be a playoff lock in any other division but should still be a favourite to grab a wild card.
4. Ottawa: Another team coming out of a rebuild. Do not have the prospects of Calgary or Winnipeg but should be able to once again content for a playoff spot.
5. Vancouver: Definitely on the downswing but still have a great top line and solid top 4 defence. Will likely miss playoffs but could content for a wild card spot.
6. Edmonton: Jesus saves but unfortunately for the Oilers McJesus can only score. The team still has massive question marks on defence and goaltending that will take more than a GM and coaching change to fix.
7. Toronto: No need for an explanation, a bad team entering a long rebuild.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I'm glad you see them through Red colored glasses, but I see them for what they are... A ticking time bomb.

They finally dumped the boys club upstairs.
Got a real NHL coach.
Hall is an elite LW.
McDavid is generational.
Eberle is a very good RW
RNH is a great #2C
Yak, Pouliot, Draisaitl are all good second line options.

Okay lets just take this one point at a time, objectively:

Old boys club: yep, both lowe and Mactavish are still within the organization, so glad they have finally put that to rest...

Coach: wait and see on how he does but you are casually ignoring the fact that he got let go by SJ for a reason (not winning).

Hall: Scores goals, injury prone, worst hockey sense I've ever watched out of an "elite LW"

McGeneration: Past Generational talents: Tavares, Stamkos, Crosby, Mackinnon list goes on. He likely will be good, but I honestly have no clue what Generational means anymore

Eberle: Still living off his World Jr. success and his epic dangle against ian white. Terrible defensively, doesn't work very hard for a soft player, expects his "soft mitts" and "sick celeys" to make noise for him.

RNH: Strong skater, skilled hockey player, competes hard on both sides of the puck. Too soft a game to ever be a true #1 in the tough, heavy western conference.

Yak: worst +/- 2 years running (i believe). nuff said.

Pouliot: Career stats padded due to playing with Stamkos. Bottom six winger, he is really just a bigger bodied Mason Raymond.

Daisaitl: Lets see how he recovers from being thrown into the lions den last season.

Give it a rest bud, nobody is fearful of the Oilers forwards, until the oilers forwards decide to do something about it.

[spuzzum]

Swap top 6 forward groups between Edmonton and Calgary, I'd have to seriously consider it.

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Perron - McDavid - Yak

JH - Money - Hudler
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik

Edmonton's lineup with McJesus is sexier on paper but the Flames top isn't far behind.

[Jacks]

1) Mtl - Until proven otherwise they are the only CDN team that has a legit shot of making the finals let alone winning the cup.
Tied, toss up for who takes 3rd in division.
2-3) Cgy - I think we've caught up to Wpg but don't think we've passed them yet, at least not by much.
2-3) Wpg - They were clearly the better team last year but we've improved more.
4) Ott - Just a little step behind the top 3.
Tied
5-6) Van - Clearly on the way down.
5-6) Edm - I hate the greasers as much as anyone but they are improved on management, coaching, defence, goal and offense. They aren't making the playoffs but they won't be close to the bottom.
6) Tor - They won't be as bad as people think but they'll still be bottom 5 in the league.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

Swap top 6 forward groups between Edmonton and Calgary, I'd have to seriously consider it.

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Perron - McDavid - Yak

JH - Money - Hudler
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik

Edmonton's lineup with McJesus is sexier on paper but the Flames top isn't far behind.

Perron is gone

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jacks

1) Mtl - Until proven otherwise they are the only CDN team that has a legit shot of making the finals let alone winning the cup.

Er, OK. What have the Habs done to prove that they have a legit shot of making the finals?

[MrMastodonFarm]

1. Calgary
2. Montreal
3. Ottawa
4. Toronto
5. Vancouver
6. Edmonton

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Er, OK. What have the Habs done to prove that they have a legit shot of making the finals?

Won playoff series, best goalie in the league.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Er, OK. What have the Habs done to prove that they have a legit shot of making the finals?

Making the conference finals in 2014? They were two wins away from the finals.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Right, but the Oilers have 4 legit top six forwards, Flames have 3. The others could be argued as 2/3 line players.

So with that in mind the trade isn't what I meant. I'm just saying that Flames forwards are not as drastically better than what was originally posted.

Um Monahan, Gaudreau, Hudler, Backlund has been effective in the top 6, Frolik is a top 6 forward. So I count 5.

I just can't count Draisaitl as a top 6, and I'm not convinced that Yak is a top 6 forward at this time, he's hasn't done anything to really earn that spot. Yak is a top 6 forward in name only.


Eberle, RNH, Hall and McDavid without playing in the NHL are top 6 guys.