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View Poll Results: What are your thoughts on the Flames CalgaryNext presentation? (select multiple)
Get digging, I love it all! 259 37.27%
Too much tax money 125 17.99%
Too much ticket tax 54 7.77%
Need more parking 130 18.71%
I need more details, can't say at this time 200 28.78%
The city owns it? Great deal for Calgary 110 15.83%
Need to clean up this area anyway, its embarassing 179 25.76%
Needs a retractable roof 89 12.81%
Great idea but don't think it will fly with stake holders 69 9.93%
Why did it take 2 years to come up with this? 161 23.17%
Curious to see the city's response 194 27.91%
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:54 PM   #941
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Interesting thing to note: a big ass traffic circle proposed at the south end of the 14th street bridge.
Ah, but will it have stop lights in it? Then we can be a Big City at last, just like Edmonton!
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:54 PM   #942
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What a joke, there are many way better ways to use public funds.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:54 PM   #943
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I dont know if thats feasible.

Thats asking for a fair bit of civic cash.
Not really. The City has already allocated $200MM to the field house.
Re: CLR. Right now there is next to no tax money from this area. With this development there will be lots. A portion of that goes to pay for the redevelopment, leaving higher revenue.
$200MM from the owners.
$250MM from the users via ticket tax.
And it will be a City asset.
Seems very reasonable to me.

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Old 08-18-2015, 12:54 PM   #944
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The melodrama is what I was talking about. Valid points cry baby post.
Fair enough.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:54 PM   #945
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So basically almost $700 million in public money? Yeah that's gonna be a ridiculously tough sell. I was expecting an ask of about half that....and thought that would be a tough sell.
Looks to be like $400-500 in public money they are asking for seeing $200 million has already been committed to the field house. Not chump change that's for sure.
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eh?
Oh, sorry, I was commenting that they would show up with this thing without a building rendering.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:55 PM   #947
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The thought of Labour Day in a dome seems wrong to me. I probably wont go to Stamps games after this is built.

I'll start going to Stamps games after this is built.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:55 PM   #948
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Hes being a bit melodramatic but his point isnt invalid.

The Flames are putting up $200M of a $1B project.
Man, an accountant should not be paying loose and fast with numbers. $200 million of an $890 million project. Based on the comment about remediation, the Flames will be paying some of that as well.

We'll see how that all shakes out when more details emerge. I doubt the Flames went forward with that slide without having some idea of how feasible it is.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #949
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McMahon re-development rendering is a little lazy...just a copy-and-paste of current UofC buildings
Well it's not up to the Flames what happens at that site. So no point in them putting a lot of work into that.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #950
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Want to have a translucent stadium roof

30k stadium expandable to 50k, roughly same as now for arena.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #951
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Yeah let's get college kids to design public art for a 1 billion dollar facility instead of contracting world-renowned and more qualified artists.

Small town thinking like this drives me crazy
Maybe I should clarify. I meant have involvement. 900 million means 9 million. You can't put aside even 1 million for students to build a thing or two along path ways etc?

I didn't mean build things for the arena, but the surrounding pathways and parks etc.

Is it seriously that juvenile to hope we could pour a little bit of the money into local artists? This is a legacy project and nothing in the area would be designed by locals?

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Old 08-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #952
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What a joke, there are many way better ways to use public funds.
Yea, YEA.. like a $25 million dollar BRIDGE THAT'S GLOWY and RED!

While expensive, its hard to argue against having something like this in the city of Calgary, we'll see what happens.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #953
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Come now.
As a Flames fan, I don't have a problem with government providing money.

But also as a Flames fan, I realize that when the public sees that the Flames will be funding less than 25% of the cost (and that doesn't even include revitalization), this thing won't even get off the ground.

I am quite disappointed that it took KK this long to prepare something that I think is going to be rejected unanimously by the public.
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30k seats for the stadium expandable to 50k
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:57 PM   #955
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Not really.
Well...yeah. Kind of.

If we take for granted that the City is cool with just handing the Flames their $200M cheque for a fieldhouse and focus on the rest we havent even scratched the surface of the real costs yet.
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Looks to be like $400-500 in public money they are asking for seeing $200 million has already been committed to the field house. Not chump change that's for sure.
Depends if the city wants to be left behind the rest of Canada and N.A or join the 21st century. $500 million to re-define an important part of the city doesn't sound like a lot.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:58 PM   #958
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Agree, the optics need some work.

Flames - $200M
City (for the field house) - $200M
'Province' (unclear what they get)
Fans - $250M (above what will likely be raised prices)

btw - a $250M ticket tax would likely result in a $10 fee to every ticket (hockey, football, music, etc) for 20-25 years
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On initial thought, I'd have to say I'm disappointed with how little the Flames are ponying up. I think KK has underestimated the public backlash that may occur over the optics of the financing. The public debate could be a lengthy and unpleasant one, IMO.
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Capacity of arena and stadium to be the same as current
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