[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

These days theres equal opportunity mindless outrage.

Thanked for this quote

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be fair, before 2009, most people would have never thought Kane would have been capable of beating up a cab driver because he didn't have 50 cents in change.

To be even more fair, we don't know these people period. It doesn't matter if a person doesn't seem like the type to do this. Jeffrey Dahmer's neighbours thought of him as the nice man in 213. He wasn't.

Our perceptions of these guys is based entirely on a game where they act like petulant children.

Kane may be Innocent. I hope he is. If he's not, I hope he gets banned for life. No 80M, no hall of fame.

[Moneyhands23]

Even if he is not guilty of this, Kane needs to take stock on his life and make the decision on alcohol. I have had issues with it in the past and this year decided to stop putting myself and my loved ones in bad positions in regards to drinking. It's a hard choice, but definatly one that needs to be made.
Hopefully Kane can do this

[saillias]

Originally Posted by MattyC

No one here is assuming anything.

And I would say, that when these things are released, there is a more sizable portion of people who will see him as a rapist forever regardless of what happens, and especially if it's settled out of court as these usually are. We've seen plenty of examples of people latching onto incomplete stories too quickly and it snowballing into something terrible.

People just want to see retribution for those who falsely accuse people of rape when it turns out to be the case. Not saying it's the case here, but it has been before and the accusers are hardly ever held as accountable as they should be.

This problem is grossly overstated. What's infinitely more common is rapists never getting convicted. Yet the biggest concern on the internet is this belief that women are out to get everyone with false accusations.

[Coach]

^^ Yeah that's what I figured. Seems odd that she would go through that if there wasn't some type of incident. Or did she do so after going to the police as to comply with their investigation? Maybe I missed it but it doesn't seem to say.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

It's also a pretty big leap from one to the other.

I disagree.

In the incident with the cab driver, he violently attacked an innocent person.

If the accusations are true, he violently attacked an innocent women.

I don't want to judge until more is known about the incident, but Kane does have a history of violence.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MattyC

For me, I just have a hard time understanding why any top athlete or celebrity would NEED to rape someone. They must have women tripping over themselves to get to them. I have no doubt there is a significant amount of people who are scummy enough to try and take a chunk out of a well-known person after having consensual sex. But I also have no doubt that some of these people have enough of an ego that, because of their status, they can't handle the odd time they are rejected by someone.

This. If every girl says yes, you're not going to take a no very well if you have an ego.

Originally Posted by Azure

Amazing how public perception has gotten to the point where every single time there is a news worthy rape accusation, people automatically assume the girl is just going for a payday.

Weird. Considering our whole justice system, and the justice system of the western world is based on "Innocent, until proven guilty".

If it is a case of a underage girl that got into a bar then that sucks for Kane. Short of asking for a girls ID and being able to verify it's legitimacy, there's pretty much nothing you can do to avoid that. But, if it's just a case of an underage girl, why would she need to go to the hospital for a "rape kit"?

It's still early though so I guess we'll what the real story is as this gets flushed out.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by saillias

This problem is grossly overstated. What's infinitely more common is rapists never getting convicted. Yet the biggest concern on the internet is this belief that women are out to get everyone with false accusations.

Being open to the possibility is not the same is it being the biggest concern.

Yes, there are far more rapes than false accusations, that doesn't mean those accusations should be treated as trivial in the event that is the case.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

It's also a pretty big leap from one to the other.

This is exactly my thoughts.

It could be something as simple as after they were done he was like leave or he just got up and left and the girl felt insulted.

I watched a video online just yesterday where a girl was screaming that a guy sexually harassed her and just kept repeating it. The tape showed nothing close and people on the tape could be heard saying don't worry dude I got it on film nothing happened. She repeated it like 20 times though obviously knew exactly what she was doing.

A friend of mine got into a fight with his gf and she pressed rape charges which she later dropped just because she wanted some quick pay back.

Again I don't want to jump to conclusions but this type of thing happens somewhat regularly and if your a celeb with a lot of money and in these situations on a weekly basis odds say you might get into a situation like this eventually.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by saillias

This problem is grossly overstated. What's infinitely more common is rapists never getting convicted. Yet the biggest concern on the internet is this belief that women are out to get everyone with false accusations.

When your a famous athelete in the public eye who makes over 10 million dollars a year you have to consider that possibility. He's a very easy target. You don't even have to prove your case because of his public profile.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is exactly my thoughts.

It could be something as simple as after they were done he was like leave or he just got up and left and the girl felt insulted.

I watched a video online just yesterday where a girl was screaming that a guy sexually harassed her and just kept repeating it. The tape showed nothing close and people on the tape could be heard saying don't worry dude I got it on film nothing happened. She repeated it like 20 times though obviously knew exactly what she was doing.

A friend of mine got into a fight with his gf and she pressed rape charges which she later dropped just because she wanted some quick pay back.

Again I don't want to jump to conclusions but this type of thing happens somewhat regularly and if your a celeb with a lot of money and in these situations on a weekly basis odds say you might get into a situation like this eventually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...ality_disorder

[polak]

Originally Posted by Hackey

When your a famous athelete in the public eye who makes over 10 million dollars a year you have to consider that possibility. He's a very easy target. You don't even have to prove your case because of his public profile.

Even if he's not famous, it's still super sketch to come to any sort of snap judgement.

Unless it's violent, it's almost always a case of he said / she said.

I think these cases should be completely sealed from the public until a verdict is reached. Too much harm comes from it being public.

This might be a bit of a derailment but the one part I do not understand about it is that if you're both drunk neither of you can technically consent to sex yet some how we decide one is a rapist?

[DJones]

Seen these too often lately. If he's guilty it will probably be super obvious. Before that my skepticism is high.

[gildo]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/08/06...-police-report

Interesting how this article posted on the Calgary Sun website mentions not once but twice in it (with added youtube clip as a bonus) that Patrick Kane told fans to “watch out” for him following the Chicago Blackhawks' Stanley Cup win. Then later mentions this at the end of the article:

[During the Blackhawks' Stanley Cup celebration at Solider Field earlier this summer, Kane took to the mic and told fans he planned to live it up after Chicago knocked off the Tampa Bay Lightning in six games. “I know you say I've been growing up, but watch out for me the next week.”]

They are trying to lead this article (a little bit) in a certain direction.

[spuzzum]

It's all about money. Rich athletes are easy targets. Even if found innocent criminally , a civil lawsuit always follows.

[justafan]

I read on here that people think athletes, making a lot of money attract women trying to take advantage of them. I'm sure that happens. I tend to think about all the highly paid athletes who have murdered or beat their wives/girlfriends, often while pregnant. Not easy being a woman in a relationship with an athlete.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

It's all about money. Rich athletes are easy targets. Even if found innocent criminally , a civil lawsuit always follows.

In that case, would the civil lawsuit go the other way (ie, Kane suing her for defamation)? If he's found innocent in a trial (which I doubt it gets to), wouldn't that be the more likely scenario?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

It has nothing to do with sex or rejection. It's about power over someone.

Sometimes. Sometimes it's about sex and rejection. Sometimes a dude just refuses to take no for an answer and rapes a woman. I would agree that some guy stalking in a park and raping someone is not so much about sex. If there are two people in a hotel room and the girl decides she wants to stop and the guy rapes her, I'm sorry, that's about sex.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sometimes. Sometimes it's about sex and rejection. Sometimes a dude just refuses to take no for an answer and rapes a woman. I would agree that some guy stalking in a park and raping someone is not so much about sex. If there are two people in a hotel room and the girl decides she wants to stop and the guy rapes her, I'm sorry, that's about sex.

I disagree, unless you're theorizing that our sex drive is an uncontrollable force of nature, that our brain shuts down and we become a mindless clothes tearing pelvic thrusting machine.

If anything, I firmly believe that a guy that proceeds even after a girl says no, and or stop, that its even more about establishing dominance and projecting power over the girl.

No means no, its that simple, when someone hears no and proceeds and forces himself on a girl or whatever, or tries to maybe intimidate a girl into giving it up, its about the establishment of power over that person as much or more then the need to have sex.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by justafan

I read on here that people think athletes, making a lot of money attract women trying to take advantage of them. I'm sure that happens. I tend to think about all the highly paid athletes who have murdered or beat their wives/girlfriends, often while pregnant. Not easy being a woman in a relationship with an athlete.

Are you suggesting that athletes are more inclined to murder or beat their partners than men on average?