Comparing top 15 prospects from other Canadian teams

[Strange Brew]

The criticism of the Oilers prospects is a little hard to swallow. Remains to be seen if they can develop these guys, and they deserve no credit for making quality picks given how high they have been picking, but the elite level talent is ridiculous. Nurse looks to be exactly what they need.

We better hope none of their late round picks turn into gems.

Surprised at Brossoit so high on the list.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The criticism of the Oilers prospects is a little hard to swallow. Remains to be seen if they can develop these guys, and they deserve no credit for making quality picks given how high they have been picking, but the elite level talent is ridiculous. Nurse looks to be exactly what they need.

We better hope none of their late round picks turn into gems.

Surprised at Brossoit so high on the list.

Because. No. Depth

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Surprised at Brossoit so high on the list.

He's a good prospect. The Flames drafted him. He's no Gillies, Ortio, or McDonald, but we still made a mistake sending him North.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's a good prospect. The Flames drafted him. He's no Gillies, Ortio, or McDonald, but we still made a mistake sending him North.

We got an NHL defenseman for a guy that would be ranked the 4th best goalie prospect in our system.

That's not a mistake, that's a steal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

...Do you even know who won it over the past few years?? Prior to Draisaitl this year, MacKinnon, Huberdeau, Hall (X2), Lucic, Radulov, and Perry have won it.

The whole point of bringing up the list of past winners was precisely to make this point. Yes, there are some great players who have won the Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy. Along with this group you cited were also such luminaries as Edgars Kulda, Michael Chaput, and Dustin Tokarski.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Holy frk wpg could be great in a few years.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We got an NHL defenseman

We got damaged goods that no one projects as being a top 6 D any time soon. I find it hard to buy that we could not have gotten a better return on Brossoit from one of the other 28 teams in the league that wasn't in a perpetual decline.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

We got damaged goods that no one projects as being a top 6 D any time soon. I find it hard to buy that we could not have gotten a better return on Brossoit from one of the other 28 teams in the league that wasn't in a perpetual decline.

Yeah, I seriously doubt that. At the time Broissoit was traded he was putting up middling numbers in the ECHL. The Flames might have gotten a late pick or similarly struggling player in return, but not a NHL defensemen, which is what Smid was when he was traded.

[JiriHrdina]

I'm not worried about Broissoit making us regret that deal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I'm not worried about Broissoit making us regret that deal.

I don't think the Oilers are regretting that deal either.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because. No. Depth

I will assume you know more about their 10th rated prospect than I do. Honestly I don't know that much. But I think you take top end talent in a prospect pool every time. You are only graduating 2 NHLers a year over the long term.

Time. Will. Tell.

[GranteedEV]

Yeah, I seriously doubt that. At the time Broissoit was traded he was putting up middling numbers in the ECHL.

At the time, Brossoit had played five professional games:

2 shutouts (ECHL)
2 goal-less relief efforts (1 ECHL, 1 AHL)
1 blowout AHL

Whatever you want to call that, middling numbers in the ECHL would be revisionist history.

Would you trade Mason McDonald for Nikita Nikitin because Nikita Nikitin is an NHL defenseman?

[Strange Brew]

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[White Out 403]

Jets to me are the tops. Probably in the league not just Canada. They have lots of very skilled skaters coming up, and have 3 solid prospects in net. Calgary is clearly #2 in my books and the only reason Edmonton is third is McDavid. After that it's murky. Toronto improved a lot this draft. Maybe them at #4.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The whole point of bringing up the list of past winners was precisely to make this point. Yes, there are some great players who have won the Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy. Along with this group you cited were also such luminaries as Edgars Kulda, Michael Chaput, and Dustin Tokarski.

So it sounds like we agree. In the majority of cases, the Memorial Cup MVP went to a highly touted prospect that went on to have a very good NHL career. When it went to a player that was never considered a major prospect (Kulda, Tokarski, Chaput), it didn't translate to success at the NHL level. That's the point I was making.

[#-3]

Oil Stains comments are great.

He basically comes out here and boasts about everything that is wrong with the Oilers organization.

Prospects are by definition unknown assets,
So the most important thing is depth.

Every prospect runs the risk of not rounding out,
Always having another guy ready to step up and challenge for a spot is vital.

Unfortunately I don't know all of the prospects to comment on all of the teams, But Winnipegs top end depth and Calgarys bottom end depth sure look great.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by #-3

Oil Stains comments are great.

He basically comes out here and boasts about everything that is wrong with the Oilers organization.

Prospects are by definition unknown assets,
So the most important thing is depth.

Every prospect runs the risk of not rounding out,
Always having another guy ready to step up and challenge for a spot is vital.

Unfortunately I don't know all of the prospects to comment on all of the teams, But Winnipegs top end depth and Calgarys bottom end depth sure look great.

Yeah, that was the most Oilers response you could imagine. "Most prospects don't turn out so what's the point of having them?".

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would be more than happy to hear that argument.

All things considered, it's pretty foolish to start making these sorts of projections for goaltenders only a year after they were drafted. I think the most practical assertion is that both prospects are pretty comparable right now, and THAT is precisely the important point gleaned from GranteedEV's post. The point here is that the #4 prospect on Vancouver's list is most closely comparable to the #13 prospect on the Flames' list. It is in no way a logical stretch to extrapolate from this that Calgary's prospect pool is overwhelmingly better than the Canucks'.

It's an even bigger logical stretch to assume that a fan vote is in anyway a proper way to rate a teams prospects, or because someone specifically thinks player A that fan group X rated 4th is similar to Player B than fan group Y rated 13th

it's a fun exercise, but has no bearing on how the league outside interprets the list, or the teams itself rate their own

most people taking part in those votes haven't seen more than a few online videos (outside of those with NHL experience) of the players on the list

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At the time, Brossoit had played five professional games:

2 shutouts (ECHL)
2 goal-less relief efforts (1 ECHL, 1 AHL)
1 blowout AHL

Whatever you want to call that, middling numbers in the ECHL would be revisionist history.

Would you trade Mason McDonald for Nikita Nikitin because Nikita Nikitin is an NHL defenseman?

At the time we needed a defenceman. We had to pay for him, he didn't come free, that's life.

[RobbieT]

Take McDavid and Nurse off that list, and none would break our top 10... Winnipeg looks good, but a lot of small players, even if the new game is going smaller and faster, it's still a gamble. Still feel we look great, but can admit my own biases... Rest of Canada does not look great at all! Jets and Flames will be the toast of Canada for a while. Oilers are still without any defence and repeated their past mistakes of signing back-up goalies and expecting them to take the helm with no D in front of them! The Oilers are not the Rangers, no different than they weren't the Ducks or the Kings when they signed and destroyed the careers of their backups!