[News] Bouma, Byron, and Jooris and 20 other players file for Salary Arbitration

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I really don't see what the problem is here. The 2.5 that Bouma wants is fair or even a bit low.

Sometimes the process of RFA/UFA negotiations stinks. You back up the Brinks truck for Frolik because he scored 19 goals for the Jets. Then you nickel and dime Bouma because he scored 16 goals for the Flames.

Just give him his 2.5 and be done with it.

I agree with you, but unfortunately we are in the business of maximizing assets. Obviously, lower contracts give managers more flexibility in regards to the cap. A flexibility the Flames might really need next summer, especially because it will involve locking and setting the core of this team for the next few years.

The need to resign/move Hudler, Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano, Russelle, and the goaltending tandem will involve a lot of work and more importantly raises. The work will involve asset exchange one way or the other, be it trades or replacing some of the players internally. That is why in my opinion the Flames would actually prefer a 2 year deal, at a lower cap number, creating one more potential asset.

That said, I absolutely love Bouma, and what he brings. On the other hand, I used to love players like Glencross and Bourque the same way*; and the return for them at the time even more.

* I realize that they contributed in different ways than Bouma

[MrMastodonFarm]

How/why did this thread become about Backlund?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Ferland has shown he will score more than Bouma in the long run. He's done it elsewhere. If one outlier year is an indicator, than David Clarkson is a 30 goal scorer waiting to break out. Ferland isn't likely to be top 6 and he's better offensively than Bouma.

Bouma is below replacement level offensively if you ignore last year. One year with 15 goals doesn't suddenly change that. If he does it again, we'll talk

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I like Ferland a lot ... but based on the first 20 NHL games Baertschi should have had the #1 LW scoring spot locked up when Johnny Hockey was ready to be a Flame.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

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I like Ferland a lot ... but based on the first 20 NHL games Baertschi should have had the #1 LW scoring spot locked up when Johnny Hockey was ready to be a Flame.

Ferland has done it in juniors and AHL. Bouma has never done it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Ferland has shown FAR more offensively in the WHL and AHL than Bouma ever did. Bouma has last year, and that's it (as far as besting Ferland offensively at any level). We can compare Ferland to Bouma's 14/15 season after the 16/17 season as now it wouldn't be fair with Ferland being 2 years younger. I would be willing to take the bet that Ferland outscores Bouma over the next two years. He has softer hands and is much more patient than Bouma when he has the puck IMO. The discrepancy in their skill will become obvious after Ferland gets the chances Bouma has had over the last couple of years.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Who is his comparable at 2.5 with half his goals???? That's a massive overpayment

Cal Clutterbuck 25 year old RFA coming off a 10 pt season 2.75 x 4.

Clutterbuck and a 3rd round pick got the Wild the #5 pick from the 2010 draft

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Cal Clutterbuck 25 year old RFA coming off a 10 pt season 2.75 x 4.

Clutterbuck and a 3rd round pick got the Wild the #5 pick from the 2010 draft

GMs make mistakes sometimes. Neither of those moves mean anything in relation to Lance Bouma.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Cal Clutterbuck 25 year old RFA coming off a 10 pt season 2.75 x 4.

Clutterbuck and a 3rd round pick got the Wild the #5 pick from the 2010 draft

... in the lockout shortened season. Clutterbuck has scored more than 10 goals 5 times. He's also got a junior career that leads us to believe he can score

[codynw]

Clutterbuck for Niederreiter has to be one of the worst trades in recent memory.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Ferland has done it in juniors and AHL. Bouma has never done it.

Ferland had a hot streak for about 10 AHL games... might have done better but got hurt. Last year 15 pts in 32 games.

Juniors Ferland was on a line with Mark Stone...

In 2009-10 Bouma lost the last 13 games of the season to a partially torn MCL and then played all 16 of the Giants playoff games putting up 17 pts.... third best on the team.

Hard for Bouma to put up points in the AHL as he spent so little time there.

[T@T]

Give him 3x2m and make it a day.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by codynw

Clutterbuck for Niederreiter has to be one of the worst trades in recent memory.

I think Bruin fans might disagree with you.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I think Bruin fans might disagree with you.

twice

[CaptainYooh]

Magnus Paajarvi
2014-15 salary: $1.4 million
Pre-arbitration settlement: One year, $700,000 (one-way deal)

Not sure if this had been mentioned here already. 10th overall pick in 2009, $700K... Just wow. Edmonton Oilers prospect development system keeps paying off...

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Came into thread to see posters getting angry over normal negotiations.... leaving satisfied.

Came into thread looking for obligatory "came into thread" post. Leaving tired of "came into thread" posts.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I agree with you, but unfortunately we are in the business of maximizing assets. Obviously, lower contracts give managers more flexibility in regards to the cap. A flexibility the Flames might really need next summer, especially because it will involve locking and setting the core of this team for the next few years.

The need to resign/move Hudler, Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano, Russelle, and the goaltending tandem will involve a lot of work and more importantly raises. The work will involve asset exchange one way or the other, be it trades or replacing some of the players internally. That is why in my opinion the Flames would actually prefer a 2 year deal, at a lower cap number, creating one more potential asset.

That said, I absolutely love Bouma, and what he brings. On the other hand, I used to love players like Glencross and Bourque the same way*; and the return for them at the time even more.

* I realize that they contributed in different ways than Bouma

No, the Flames are in the business of an entertainment organization that aims to win the Stanley Cup. You don't get there by constantly trying to maximize assets because the profit you could potentially make off of unloading for a better return doesn't necessarily put your team in a position to win.

Treliving will have his hands full when it comes to Monahan/Gaudreau/Gio/Bennett but thtere's a lot of other considerations that can be looked at first before considering the unlikely scenario of moving Bouma over a couple hundred K. Bouma's play and energy is more valuable to this team now and in the near future than another 2nd or 3rd round prospect that needs to be grown for another 3-4 years.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Wasn't today Bouma's hearing?

[AC]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Wasn't today Bouma's hearing?

Yes. It takes up to 48 hours.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by AC

Yes. It takes up to 48 hours.

ahhh gotcha. keep coming into this thread and reading 4 pages of arguing just looking to find what the arbitrator ruled.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

ahhh gotcha. keep coming into this thread and reading 4 pages of arguing just looking to find what the arbitrator ruled.

Factor in 8 pages of arguing about Bouma until Friday, say another 12 pages of arguing about the ruling over the weekend, another 8 pages leading up to Jooris' hearing, probably 32 in between waiting for Jooris' ruling and Byron's hearing, 16 on the weekend continuing to argue about Bouma and Jooris' ruling and arguing about Byron's ruling, and then another 8 pages after Byron's ruling to wrap the whole thing up.