[News] Bouma, Byron, and Jooris and 20 other players file for Salary Arbitration

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth

He had every opportunity to negotiate and sign an offer sheet before filing for arbitration. There was a big enough window.

Teams were threatening offersheets long before the draft.

Can you please list the players who were rumored to possibly get an offer sheet?

[Jason14h]

(Ferland, Hathaway, Van Brabant, Wolf until a few days ago)

You seriously think these guys are in his category? He scored the 4th most goals on the team last season. These guys can't even make the NHL for the most part

[InconvenientTruth]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Can you please list the players who were rumored to possibly get an offer sheet?

That we heard about?
Dougie Hamilton
Martin Jones (From Calgary no less, this is the best comparison salary and pick compensation wise)
Brandon Saad

There were probably more threats thrown out with so many teams close to the cap. If you are a GM, why not throw garbage on somebody's lawn to try and get a sweetheart deal.

If there was a threat on Bouma, he would likely
A. Have a deal already
B. Have been traded already
C. Not have had to file for arbitration
D. All or several of the above

[InconvenientTruth]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You seriously think these guys are in his category? He scored the 4th most goals on the team last season. These guys can't even make the NHL for the most part

A big point we are trying to make is that if we pay Bouma like a 16 goal scorer we will be disappointed. I'd be happy to be wrong, but with how sky high his shooting percentage was we'd be happy if he scored 10 goals again.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth

That we heard about?
Dougie Hamilton
Martin Jones (From Calgary no less, this is the best comparison salary and pick compensation wise)
Brandon Saad

There were probably more threats thrown out with so many teams close to the cap. If you are a GM, why not throw garbage on somebody's lawn to try and get a sweetheart deal.

If there was a threat on Bouma, he would likely
A. Have a deal already
B. Have been traded already
C. Not have had to file for arbitration
D. All or several of the above

I do not remember this one at all. Is there a link for this one?

So are you saying there could've been more potential threats the the fans didn't hear about? hmmm. Do you think Bouma could've been one of them?

[Knut]

Is 2 M x 3 years too rich for him though ?

Even if he regresses back to 10 Goals and 20 pts. His character, leadership, PKing and blocked shots make the contract a fair one.

You may have an argument that in a few years some young guys may replace what he brings, but a contract like that is not un-trade-able and the team can really use what he brings for at least another year or two.

[bax]

Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth

A big point we are trying to make is that if we pay Bouma like a 16 goal scorer we will be disappointed. I'd be happy to be wrong, but with how sky high his shooting percentage was we'd be happy if he scored 10 goals again.

I agree with you 100% here, I just don't think he will end up getting paid as a 16 goal scorer. 2 million is about in line with what Dwight King makes and I think is very fair considering everything that Bouma brings to the table.

Also, bottom six players never get offer sheeted because any reasonable contract would easily be matched. Only top tier players get the offer sheet treatment because they are usually offered quite large salaries that are difficult for teams to match

I can't think of any bottom six player that has ever signed an offer sheet

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth

Keep in mind the zone start zone finish data was largely the doing of Backlund. WOWY numbers have largely proven that. .

And he's being taken away from Backlund....

Why?

[InconvenientTruth]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I do not remember this one at all. Is there a link for this one?

So are you saying there could've been more potential threats the the fans didn't hear about? hmmm. Do you think Bouma could've been one of them?

I will look for the source. I believe it was Elliotte Friedman on the Fan960 morning show the next day but will obviously try to confirm.

If there was a threat made, Bouma would not have needed to file for arbitration because the potential threat would have set the market. No need for an arbiter to determine his market value because the other teams would have established a market value for his AAV.

[InconvenientTruth]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

And he's being taken away from Backlund....

Why?

The thinking Backlund was held back, and will do even better with a more talented player (ie the chemistry only went one-way). Michael Frolik is a big add in this regard, and Sam Bennett could potentially play his rookie year on the wing like Seguin did. That is a legitimate 2nd line considering Frolik spent a lot of time on Winnipeg's 1st, and Backlund is a good 2 way center.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth

A big point we are trying to make is that if we pay Bouma like a 16 goal scorer we will be disappointed. I'd be happy to be wrong, but with how sky high his shooting percentage was we'd be happy if he scored 10 goals again.

Nobody is arguing that but paying him $1.5 million isn't paying him like a 16 goal scorer.

The argument is you saying that he is OVERPAID at $1.5 million which is 100% false.

Forwards that will make 1.5 to 2.0 million this upcoming season :

Justin Abdelkader
Brian Boyle
Andrew Shaw
Ben Smith
Travis Moen
Cody Eakin
Nick Bonino
Matt Hendricks
Mark Letestu
Jared Boll
Gregory Campbell
PA Parenteau
Zack Kassian
Dominic Moore
Trevor Lewis
Dwight King
Kyle Clifford
John Mitchell
Zack Smith
Chris Neil
Jay Beagle
Nathan Gerbe
Marcus Foligno
Cody Mccormick
Steve Downie
Nate Thompson
Shawn Horcoff

I feel that Bouma fits fine with that group of players (and some more paid over $2 million where I would probably take Bouma), and would absolutley be worth the $1.5 to $2 million. Once you get over $2.5 is when it becomes questionable.

[InconvenientTruth]

I will throw you guys a bone. 1yr at 2.1M

If he really is what he thinks he is, then he gets term on his next deal.

If he regresses as I expect, the Flames can term him up closer to 1M next summer or trade him because his he has RFA control years left on his deal other teams might find attractive.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Nobody is arguing that but paying him $1.5 million isn't paying him like a 16 goal scorer.

The argument is you saying that he is OVERPAID at $1.5 million which is 100% false.

Agreed, if the Flames thought he would be a consistent 16 goal scorer they would be signing him to a $3-$3.5 million long term deal.

[BruceCody]

Backlund contract did make some problem already this summer

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by BruceCody

Backlund contract did make some problem already this summer

How?

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Nobody is arguing that but paying him $1.5 million isn't paying him like a 16 goal scorer.

The argument is you saying that he is OVERPAID at $1.5 million which is 100% false.

Forwards that will make 1.5 to 2.0 million this upcoming season :

Justin Abdelkader
Brian Boyle
Andrew Shaw
Ben Smith
Travis Moen
Cody Eakin
Nick Bonino
Matt Hendricks
Mark Letestu
Jared Boll
Gregory Campbell
PA Parenteau
Zack Kassian
Dominic Moore
Trevor Lewis
Dwight King
Kyle Clifford
John Mitchell
Zack Smith
Chris Neil
Jay Beagle
Nathan Gerbe
Marcus Foligno
Cody Mccormick
Steve Downie
Nate Thompson
Shawn Horcoff

I feel that Bouma fits fine with that group of players (and some more paid over $2 million where I would probably take Bouma), and would absolutley be worth the $1.5 to $2 million. Once you get over $2.5 is when it becomes questionable.

Bolded guys were UFA so not comparable, they all earned the right to negotiate with whichever team they wanted. Bouma should be signed to the same type of contract as Dwight King.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

You guys are so used to just reinforcing each other's opinions, that two new people come in with a different point of view and you lose your minds? Come on guys, how sad.

Says a guy who comes to CP along with a 'pal' in order to reinforce each other's opinions.

[pepsishark]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

You two are seriously unbearable and have derailed two threads already. Stop your nonsensical posting please. Or move it over to hfboards where trolls can thrive.

You're mistaking debating with trolling, because apparently you're not used to hearing back anything but your own opinions. It's one player, good grief. I don't think he's that good, some of you think he'd single-handedly win us a cup under the right circumstances. I'm sure somewhere in the middle is correct.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Who's selling him short? Everyone likes Bouma, how could you not like him? As I said in mt post, the only question is sustainability of investment in a player that plays a very aggressive, high-risk style of game.

You want guys who have heart and play like that no matter where they slot in the line up. You win with them. the guys compete level and enthusiam rubs off on his teammates, and they take note.
I guess some people would like him to play more like Bouwmeester so he can play more games. But you wont win with cups with those guys

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by pepsishark

You're mistaking debating with trolling, because apparently you're not used to hearing back anything but your own opinions. It's one player, good grief. I don't think he's that good, some of you think he'd single-handedly win us a cup under the right circumstances. I'm sure somewhere in the middle is correct.

I am not sure you know what debating means.