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View Poll Results: What will Bouma get on a 1 year deal from the arbitrator (or before ruling)?
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1.5
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0.64% |
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1.6
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0.64% |
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1.7
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2.88% |
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1.8
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13.42% |
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1.9
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19.49% |
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2.0
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23.96% |
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2.1
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16.61% |
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2.2
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13.42% |
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2.3
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5.11% |
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2.4
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1.60% |
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2.5
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2.24% |
07-20-2015, 02:24 PM
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#221
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Could Care Less
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I think it's funny that these random posters see Bouma and Ferland as mutually exclusive? They complement each other. I can only hope that one of them can play RW eventually and have a Bouma-Backlund-Ferland 3rd line. That would be the best in the league if Ferland hits his ceiling.
Some people always want to trade away assets when they become valuable. Couldn't agree less, particularly win the case of a young RFA. That's not how you build a winner.
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07-20-2015, 02:28 PM
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#222
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Draft Pick
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You guys are so used to just reinforcing each other's opinions, that two new people come in with a different point of view and you lose your minds? Come on guys, how sad.
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07-20-2015, 02:31 PM
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#223
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Calgary
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Teams win cups with heart and soul guys, what Bouma brings is not easily replaceable. Lance Bouma is a hell of a player, and the most important bottom 6 guy on the team. I hope he gets around 2 mil on a 3-4 year term. Also suprised at the anti-Colborne crowd, he's another guy I want in my bottom 6 for a run at the championship.
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07-20-2015, 02:33 PM
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#224
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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C'mon guys, don't you know that Bouma is bad because he has the worst corsi of all our regular forwards, and his high PDO is due to regress.
Don't let the fact that he has a 34% offensive zone start time (with a 44% zone finish) with the toughest quality of competition among all our forwards (behind only Gio and Brodie for the team) get in the way of the numbers.
He has Bad Corsi and Bad PDO means he is a bad player.
So what if he is one of the team's best penalty killers, provides some physicality, and is a good defensive player. He has bad corsi and therefore he is bad.
Remember the key to advanced stats is singling out one stat to tell you the story on a player instead of the whole picture.
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 07-20-2015 at 02:36 PM.
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07-20-2015, 02:40 PM
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#226
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Franchise Player
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Wo are you guys on twitter? I wana follow!
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07-20-2015, 02:40 PM
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#227
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Flame Country
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You two are seriously unbearable and have derailed two threads already. Stop your nonsensical posting please. Or move it over to hfboards where trolls can thrive.
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07-20-2015, 02:42 PM
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#228
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pepsishark
You guys are so used to just reinforcing each other's opinions, that one new people come in with a different point of view and you lose your minds? Come on guys, how sad.
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fyp. You can stop pretending now.
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07-20-2015, 02:47 PM
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#229
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pepsishark
You guys are so used to just reinforcing each other's opinions, that two new people come in with a different point of view and you lose your minds? Come on guys, how sad.
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How sad is it that we disagree with an asinine point of view. How very sad indeed.
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07-20-2015, 02:48 PM
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#230
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First Line Centre
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I predict one year at 2.5 for Bouma
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07-20-2015, 02:51 PM
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#231
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 442scotty
I predict one year at 2.5 for Bouma
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I don't think even Bouma's agent is expecting him to get 100% of what he's asking for.
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07-20-2015, 02:57 PM
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#232
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Franchise Player
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Bouma will probably ask for 2, Flames want 1.25. Likely settled at 1.75.
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07-20-2015, 02:58 PM
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#233
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaskal
Bouma will probably ask for 2, Flames want 1.25. Likely settled at 1.75.
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Arbitration numbers are already out.
Flames asking for $1.5.
Bouma asking for $2.5.
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07-20-2015, 03:01 PM
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Could Care Less
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It seems obvious that he will be signing a $2M deal.
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07-20-2015, 03:07 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Let's be serious for a second. If Bouma is really that "hard to replace, guy you win with" why are there no rumours of someone taking a flyer and offer sheeting him? Compensation isn't that high, probably a 2nd ( http://www.hockey-reference.com/leag...ee-agents.html). Worst case scenario is it gets matched. Maybe Calgary sees 3M as too much to pay a player like Bouma. Any offer sheet with a multi-year term hurts Calgary.
The reason is players like this are too easy to organically replace with guys in your system. They aren't 1 in a million. Most teams have one. Flames have 4 guys with exactly the same scouting report champing at the bit for an opportunity (Ferland, Hathaway, Van Brabant, Wolf until a few days ago), all under a 1M cap hit.
Why bother? Bank that money for a Gio extension or to sweeten the pot when trying to acquire a game changer.
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07-20-2015, 03:08 PM
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#236
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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Quite obviously it will be $1,999,995 as to ensure the number has a 1 in it
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07-20-2015, 03:09 PM
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#237
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InconvenientTruth
Let's be serious for a second. If Bouma is really that "hard to replace, guy you win with" why are there no rumours of someone taking a flyer and offer sheeting him? Compensation isn't that high, probably a 2nd ( http://www.hockey-reference.com/leag...ee-agents.html). Worst case scenario is it gets matched. Maybe Calgary sees 3M as too much to pay a player like Bouma. Any offer sheet with a multi-year term hurts Calgary.
The reason is players like this are too easy to organically replace with guys in your system. They aren't 1 in a million. Most teams have one. Flames have 4 guys with exactly the same scouting report champing at the bit for an opportunity (Ferland, Hathaway, Van Brabant, Wolf until a few days ago), all under a 1M cap hit.
Why bother? Bank that money for a Gio extension or to sweeten the pot when trying to acquire a game changer. |
Once a player files for salary arbitration they can no longer sign an offer sheet.
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07-20-2015, 03:10 PM
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#238
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Once a player files for salary arbitration they can no longer sign an offer sheet.
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Game! Set! Match!
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07-20-2015, 03:12 PM
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#239
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
C'mon guys, don't you know that Bouma is bad because he has the worst corsi of all our regular forwards, and his high PDO is due to regress.
Don't let the fact that he has a 34% offensive zone start time (with a 44% zone finish) with the toughest quality of competition among all our forwards (behind only Gio and Brodie for the team) get in the way of the numbers.
He has Bad Corsi and Bad PDO means he is a bad player.
So what if he is one of the team's best penalty killers, provides some physicality, and is a good defensive player. He has bad corsi and therefore he is bad.
Remember the key to advanced stats is singling out one stat to tell you the story on a player instead of the whole picture.
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Keep in mind the zone start zone finish data was largely the doing of Backlund. WOWY numbers have largely proven that. His shooting percentage absolutely will regress. He's never produced at this clip in junior, let alone the NHL. Jooris at least had multiple seasons at .75ppg in a tougher NCAA. Bouma only hit .75ppg once in an overage WHL season on a very good team.
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07-20-2015, 03:13 PM
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#240
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Chief
Game! Set! Match!
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He had every opportunity to negotiate and sign an offer sheet before filing for arbitration. There was a big enough window.
Teams were threatening offersheets long before the draft.
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