[Hypothetical] Possible return IF we were to move Gio now

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

You never did, just took personal shots. And I never said it was in stone on what they would or wouldn't deal, just that the likely hood of them parting with so much is highly unlikely IMO, but you constantly are hammering away at that nonsense.

Not outraged at all, it's a forum for god sakes. Flabbergasted? Yes.

As for the bolded, pot... meet kettle. And like I've already said either use the block function or just leave if you don't want to actually have a discussion, which I've been trying to do.

Personal shots like

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

You're just backpedaling now to get out of saying something idiotic.

Yea, it's a great discussion you've been trying to have.

I really can't be any more clear. I asked if there could be a deal surrounding "one of Anaheim's young D" + Nick Ritchie.

You named their top 3 d-men, and concluded those were the only 3 I could have possibly meant. I said several times over that wasn't the case, yet you continued on with it. We've already established both Theodore and Despres would be good targets, along with agreeing we have no idea what Anaheim would or wouldn't give up.

Anything else you're confused about?

[JohnnySkittles]

Are you done yet? I tried, but clearly you're picking for an argument.

[GoJetsGo]

Yea, you're not trolling at all.

[TheDebaser]

Hypothetical hockey trades on a small forum for one fanbase are a pretty serious matter guys. Lets be sure to get on each others case if we don't like what someone's proposing.

[JohnnySkittles]

I like to inform posters on player values occasionally, many are delusional about anything outside of Calgary.

[JiriHrdina]

Holy crap knock it off you two. Brutal!

[FlameZilla]

I just don't see Giordano being traded unless something drastic happens.

'Drastic' could be:

-if he really struggles to regain his stellar form from last season
-if he misses a lot of games due to injury, or fails to recover from his bicep injury
-if Hamilton & Brodie play so well that they both surpass him on the depth chart

I sincerely doubt any of the above happens.

Regarding Giordano's future, sure he'll be 32 in October but he just played the best 2 seasons of his career. He's been incredibly consistent and is trending upwards. It's not unreasonable to say he could play at this standard for 3-to-5 more years. A long term contract (6-to-7 years) at an AAV of between $7m to $7.5m is probably the worst cast scenario here, realistically.

I predict Treliving will evaluate his play at the beginning of the season, just to make sure there isn't any lingering damage to his game from the bicep injury, and then around Christmas he'll sign Giordano to a 6 year deal with a $6.75m AAV.

[Badgers Nose]

There is no such thing as an optional heart transplant (at least I don't think there is). So yeah, trading him would be a super extreme last resort. I think it gets sorted out soon too. Certainly by Christmas

But if they move him, a few months into the season when its clear he is back to 100%, I think he will be highly sought after and the bidding war would be pretty intense. I think a 1st, top prospect and young roster player is very realistic.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Holy crap knock it off you two. Brutal!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I just don't see Giordano being traded unless something drastic happens.

'Drastic' could be:

-if he really struggles to regain his stellar form from last season
-if he misses a lot of games due to injury, or fails to recover from his bicep injury
-if Hamilton & Brodie play so well that they both surpass him on the depth chart

I sincerely doubt any of the above happens.

Regarding Giordano's future, sure he'll be 32 in October but he just played the best 2 seasons of his career. He's been incredibly consistent and is trending upwards. It's not unreasonable to say he could play at this standard for 3-to-5 more years. A long term contract (6-to-7 years) at an AAV of between $7m to $7.5m is probably the worst cast scenario here, realistically.

I predict Treliving will evaluate his play at the beginning of the season, just to make sure there isn't any lingering damage to his game from the bicep injury, and then around Christmas he'll sign Giordano to a 6 year deal with a $6.75m AAV.

He'll be 33 when the contract starts

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think a 1st, top prospect and young roster player is very realistic.

Agreed, I think that ^ may be the high end with at least two 1st's for a minimum

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by saXon

OMG, that GIF! Talk about brutal! That poor kid...

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

What is with all these ppl saying a "high" 1st or a top 10 pick? Teams that pick that high generally are tanking and completely disinterested in a guy like Gio. They are not trade deadline buyers.

High firsts could get traded by a contender who had previously acquired them. For example, 2 2016 firsts have already been traded.

Carolina has LA's pick, and Boston has San Jose's pick.

So if (for instance) Boston ends up improving somehow and thinks they can get into the playoffs and then "anything can happen" if they get a new #1 D, maybe they move San Jose's pick, which could easily be top 10.

Anyway, the original comments about a top 10 pick weren't mine, and I agree its unlikely, since not many teams interested in a rental will have a top 10 pick to trade with.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

High firsts could get traded by a contender who had previously acquired them. For example, 2 2016 firsts have already been traded.

Carolina has LA's pick, and Boston has San Jose's pick.

So if (for instance) Boston ends up improving somehow and thinks they can get into the playoffs and then "anything can happen" if they get a new #1 D, maybe they move San Jose's pick, which could easily be top 10.

Anyway, the original comments about a top 10 pick weren't mine, and I agree its unlikely, since not many teams interested in a rental will have a top 10 pick to trade with.

I think we're saying the same thing. I never said getting a high or top 10 pick was completely impossible, just highly unlikely. Buyer teams generally only have late picks.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by saXon

For a second the kid's like 'wow dad, thanks for the gigantic snowball I can murder my brother with' as he reaches out to receive it, just then dad heaves the 30 lb chunk of ice and snow on the little boy's head.

I think it makes me a bad person that I am so amused by this, that was probably quite painful...

lol did he try to kick him there too? Right before he heaves it? It's not enough that I'm crushing you, I kind of want to kick you too!!!

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

For a second the kid's like 'wow dad, thanks for the gigantic snowball I can murder my brother with' as he reaches out to receive it, just then dad heaves the 30 lb chunk of ice and snow on the little boy's head.

I think it makes me a bad person that I am so amused by this, that was probably quite painful...

lol did he try to kick him there too? Right before he heaves it? It's not enough that I'm crushing you, I kind of want to kick you too!!!

Kid probably got a concussion from that it looks pretty brutal. He tried to catch it when his dad passed it. I think his dad realized that the snow was twice the size of his son after it left his hands and tried to break it in half with his foot but missed.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Kid probably got a concussion from that it looks pretty brutal. He tried to catch it when his dad passed it. I think his dad realized that the snow was twice the size of his son after it left his hands and tried to break it in half with his foot but missed.

i am guessing what mom did to dad after seeing that video is much worse than what the kid sustained...

Hey kids, meet auntie dad. Does she look familiar?

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by TX_Flame

I think we're saying the same thing. I never said getting a high or top 10 pick was completely impossible, just highly unlikely. Buyer teams generally only have late picks.

Which is another reason why he has a lot more value before the season starts. A team like Philly might give up a first rounder for him now in hopes that they'll improve, but the pick could still end up being in the lottery. The chances of a lottery team giving up a 1st rounder drop to pretty much zero as the season goes on.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Which is another reason why he has a lot more value before the season starts. A team like Philly might give up a first rounder for him now in hopes that they'll improve, but the pick could still end up being in the lottery. The chances of a lottery team giving up a 1st rounder drop to pretty much zero as the season goes on.

The chance of getting a lottery pick is higher early in the season. That doesn't mean that the overall return is better. If you want, let's say, a later first-round pick, a blue-chip prospect, and a second-tier prospect or later-round pick, you're more likely to get that package from a contender near the deadline; and you are likely to get better value overall than a 1st acquired in the summer. GMs that trade away lottery picks for aging stars tend to get fired, which means the odds of getting that kind of offer are pretty poor.

[Darkwater]

8x4, take it Gio.