[News] With the 60th OA pick the Flames select D Oliver Kylington UPD: CHL rights to Brandon

[herashak]

he seems pretty young, another year at home in sweden with top minutes in AIK would work.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Maybe it's because I'm a dad, but 18 in a foreign country might not be best for the kid. OK is confident but he could use some time around parents. If he comes over, I think you want him living with a vet. Maybe we sign oduya?

How is that suddenly anything to worry about? Andersson came over before 18. So did Provorov. So did Karnaukhov (sp?). The list goes on an on and on and on.

[The Fonz]

I'm going to make a wild assumption and say that AIK wants the 325k transfer fee, and that is why nothing has happened yet. Flames have to wait for 10 other players to be signed @ the 240k transfer fee, and then they will sign Kylington and pay the 325k.

Any way to track how many players have been pulled out of Swedish league contracts?

[cannon7]

Brandon seems like the best place for Kylington next year. CHL has been good for Andersson.

[N-E-B]

I want Kylington in Brandon selfishly so I can go watch him play when they play the Hitmen/Hurricanes.

[ricardodw]

In one of the prospect threads I asked why Kylington was dropping like a stone in the draft rankings from Top Euro skater to 18th overall and then to be available with the 60th pick and then not being invited to the Swedish U20 WJC summer camp.

Was it the demotion from the big league to the 2nd league? The combine? Was he out of shape, not being able to do a pull up?

Nobody even would guess an answer.

WJC U18 Kylington

april 16 preliminary Sweden 3 Slovalia 1 0 pts 1 sog -1
april 18 Preliminary Sweden 7 Germany 1 2 assist 1 sog +1
april 19 Preliminary USA 6 Sweden 4 0 pts 0 SOG -3
april 20 Preliminary RUS 7 Sweden 4 SOG 0 pts -3
april 22 Quarter Final Canada 5 Sweden 3 0 pts 3 SoG -1

Against the 4 games of teams that qualified for the final 8

0 pts 4 SOG and team worst -8

Outside of various players on 0-4 Germany he had the tourney worst -7 to go with his 2 assists in the 7-1 drubbing of Germany.

so on the larger ice service in Switzerland in the last games he played basically with and against the players being drafted 2 months later he was a disaster. It would have been a huge leap for Sweden to invite him to the U20 camp.

Rasmus Andersson was playing with the Barrie Colts in the OHL playoffs eliminated April 18.


Kind of funny that there was no mention of his disappointing play in the WJC U18 tourney. That was the same Tourney that in 2013 Morgan Klimchuk likely moved up into the first round with a strong tourney.

[dieHARDflameZ]

I think it's well known he needs to work on his defensive game. With that said though, he is talked about as one of if not the best skater in this years draft. He is also highly skilled.
In my opinion, successful teams in today's NHL are built with a major focus on both speed and skill.
Taking him at #60 is a low risk move with the potential for a very high reward.

[ricardodw]

There is an anhttp://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ington-sweden/alysis of Kylington's performance at the u18 tourney. That would have been December 2014 when he was ranked top 5 in the draft and #1 Euro skater

There is a video in the article of his ice time at a pre-tourney game U20 against Canada. He had just over 10 minutes of ice time. I can not see how anyone can break down his play in that game and not be underwhelmed. There were zero positive plays by him in the game. McDavid went around him a couple of times. Duclair took the puck away from him 1 on 1 in an unforced error. He had 2 scary plays around his own net. He was behind his own net as Canada scored a crease goal. He panic passed a rebound to the point that ended up in a Canadian goal. On a Swedish PP he got caught up in the offensive zone that led to a Canadian 2 on 1 short handed chance.

There was no evidence that he was a superior skater. He did not carry the puck up the ice any time ... I was kind of expecting at least one Brodie-like attempt

The Flames must think that he was never coached and that they can teach him hockey. They better have a good working relationship with his Swedish coach or get him to Brandon.. He would be way over matched playing in the AHL but at least the Flames would be able to coach him directly.

[dieHARDflameZ]

So Ricardo, are you unhappy with the pick? Is that what this is?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is an anhttp://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ington-sweden/alysis of Kylington's performance at the u18 tourney. That would have been December 2014 when he was ranked top 5 in the draft and #1 Euro skater

There is a video in the article of his ice time at a pre-tourney game U20 against Canada. He had just over 10 minutes of ice time. I can not see how anyone can break down his play in that game and not be underwhelmed. There were zero positive plays by him in the game. McDavid went around him a couple of times. Duclair took the puck away from him 1 on 1 in an unforced error. He had 2 scary plays around his own net. He was behind his own net as Canada scored a crease goal. He panic passed a rebound to the point that ended up in a Canadian goal. On a Swedish PP he got caught up in the offensive zone that led to a Canadian 2 on 1 short handed chance.

There was no evidence that he was a superior skater. He did not carry the puck up the ice any time ... I was kind of expecting at least one Brodie-like attempt

The Flames must think that he was never coached and that they can teach him hockey. They better have a good working relationship with his Swedish coach or get him to Brandon.. He would be way over matched playing in the AHL but at least the Flames would be able to coach him directly.

You analysis is flawed. The golden rule of scouting is never place too much importance on a single game or tournament.

First off, the picked him with the 60th pick, not the 1st. Of course there's flaws to his game if he's picked the last pick of the second round.

Secondly, do you not think they've seen him play outside one tournament in order to judge the player?

Your laser focus on a single tournament is ridiculous in assessing this player, and your expectations of what a late second rounder should be are worse

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

So Ricardo, are you unhappy with the pick? Is that what this is?

No it is a good pick... might be a home run. But having the expectation that he is one of the top d-men picked in the draft and soon to be in the NHL and he is the Flames #10 prospect is so much like the Robbie Schremp Edmonton homer glasses that I find it ridiculous.

There has been way too much over the top hype and not a lot of critical analysis.

I also am disappointed in the Flames press and CP on the whole why there was no explanation offered as to why he dropped so fast and so far.

That was my #1 question to be put to Conroy/Trevling/Loob is what the heck is wrong with the guy that he went from top-5 to 60.
I was hoping that he was playing hurt or with mono or had Ferland type personal problems.

He has not played any hockey that justifies more than a 6th round pick in the last 3-4 months before being drafted.

I am much more please with the Kylington pick at #60 with 5 or 6 d-man prospects ahead of him in the prospect pool than I was/am with Jankowski in the first round when the cupboard was bare.

[automaton 3]

Why go looking at old video and pick on a single game performance? We just saw him in prospects camp - he looks like an excellent skater and was moving the puck up the ice well.

Yes he needs some work. That is why the Flames were able to draft him in the late 2nd round.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You analysis is flawed. The golden rule of scouting is never place too much importance on a single game or tournament.

First off, the picked him with the 60th pick, not the 1st. Of course there's flaws to his game if he's picked the last pick of the second round.

Secondly, do you not think they've seen him play outside one tournament in order to judge the player?

Your laser focus on a single tournament is ridiculous in assessing this player, and your expectations of what a late second rounder should be are worse

My expectation of him as a late second rounder is that he is at least 3 years away from playing single NHL game.... as a courtesy reward for working his butt off.

Is that your expectation as well?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

My expectation of him as a late second rounder is that he is at least 3 years away from playing single NHL game.... as a courtesy reward for working his butt off.

Is that your expectation as well?

Sounds about exactly what the vast majority here are saying. Why the negative diatribe then if we're all in agreement?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Sounds about exactly what the vast majority here are saying. Why the negative diatribe then if we're all in agreement?

Yeah his argument seems more suited to push back the masses that just voted the guy in as the best prospect ahead of Bennett.

He was 10th.

10th.

When the Flames make a deal with a team and a prospect is coming back (deal with Pittsburgh for Iginla) is the best example, I always go searching for prospect rankings to see what they grabbed.

If you're getting 3, 4 or 5 off their list you have a good player all other things being held equal.

I think Agostino was like 8th and Hanowski was like 12th on the Pittsburgh list according to the Gazette at the time of the deal.

When Calgary picked up Smid we had Horak and Brossoit at 11th and 17th.

Kylington came in 10th. That is not a huge impact prospect. Every guy past 5 has warts that they need to deal with.

McDonald is young, working on consistency
Klimchuk is good at all, but not great at anything
Smith is working on his skating
Andersson his conditioning

Kylington may need to adjust his attitude.

Will he? I don't know.

But to flipping out about a guy with that level of skating and skill being ranked is simply ... odd.

[ClubFlames]

The reason Kylington ended up our #10 prospect in the polls is because of his ceiling, whether he could reach it or not is a different question. The same can be said about most of our prospects on whether they will reach their potential one day. Even if it does take him 3-5 years to play in the NHL is absolutely fine with me, the chances of late second round picks playing in the big leagues is not very high.

As for the reason he dropped, yes he has to work on things but you can see the skill level. In 2010 when Bob McKenzie did his survey of scouts for the 2011 draft, Brandon Saad was rated top five by 9 out 10 scouts I beleive. He ended up going 43rd overall and now has 2 Stanley Cups (he played a big role in this years run) and a 6 year - 36 million dollar contract. He obviously worked on things to get to the level he is at and with the way Kylington gives his interviews he knows he has to work hard to be an impact player and he has the confidence and skill to do so in my opinion.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You analysis is flawed. The golden rule of scouting is never place too much importance on a single game or tournament.

First off, the picked him with the 60th pick, not the 1st. Of course there's flaws to his game if he's picked the last pick of the second round.

Secondly, do you not think they've seen him play outside one tournament in order to judge the player?

Your laser focus on a single tournament is ridiculous in assessing this player, and your expectations of what a late second rounder should be are worse

As to seeing him in other games... Last year he played 18 games with the Farstead in the SHL... Everyone was amazed that he was playing with 30 year olds as 17 year old. He wasn't playing so well as they sent him down to SWE-1. (in my mind AHL to ECHL) where he played with Nylander's Dad who was 41 years old.

So in his draft year he played 35 games in Sweden plus the pre-WJC plus the 5 games in u18 against his age group total 41 games. He was not doing well in 6 of them plus was sent down after 18 of them (indication he was not doing well) so he must have been a star in his 17 games with AIK?

The U18 were the most important games of his hockey career and he did not do well.

I wish you would post your golden rule to the prospect thread of our #6 best prospect who had a really good year end tourney after a so so third line regular season.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I think it's well known he needs to work on his defensive game. With that said though, he is talked about as one of if not the best skater in this years draft. He is also highly skilled.
In my opinion, successful teams in today's NHL are built with a major focus on both speed and skill.
Taking him at #60 is a low risk move with the potential for a very high reward.

Not picking on you, but this talk about being a fast skater means almost zip if he can't think beyond scoring.

Rico Fata. He was a great skater too.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah his argument seems more suited to push back the masses that just voted the guy in as the best prospect ahead of Bennett.

He was 10th.

10th.

When the Flames make a deal with a team and a prospect is coming back (deal with Pittsburgh for Iginla) is the best example, I always go searching for prospect rankings to see what they grabbed.

If you're getting 3, 4 or 5 off their list you have a good player all other things being held equal.

I think Agostino was like 8th and Hanowski was like 12th on the Pittsburgh list according to the Gazette at the time of the deal.

When Calgary picked up Smid we had Horak and Brossoit at 11th and 17th.

Kylington came in 10th. That is not a huge impact prospect. Every guy past 5 has warts that they need to deal with.

McDonald is young, working on consistency
Klimchuk is good at all, but not great at anything
Smith is working on his skating
Andersson his conditioning

Kylington may need to adjust his attitude.

Will he? I don't know.

But to flipping out about a guy with that level of skating and skill being ranked is simply ... odd.

He was first
#1 D-man prospect


I don't have any idea about his attitude. He looked absolutely lost as far as playing Hockey in the video against Canada at the U20.

Was that poor coaching, poor hockey sense or inability to adjust to time and space playing a faster game?

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He was first
#1 D-man prospect

No he wasn't, Brandon Hickey was #6 overall.