[Signing] Blues sign Tarasenko - 8 years, $60 million

[Lil Pedro]

Monahan is getting PAIDDDD next summer. Think this is a good deal for the Blues, I was curious whether or not he would receive an offer sheet

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Tom Timmermann ‏@tomtimm 7m7 minutes ago
Blues, by salary cap hit: Tarasenko $7.5, Stastny $7, Pietrangelo $6.5, Steen $5.8, Bouwmeester $5.4, Backes $4.5, Shattenkirk $4.25

That's not the core of a Stanley Cup team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Based on stats alone, I'd say Monahan can now be projected as a 56M, 8 year contract. Gaudreau probably the same.

Taresenko 23 years old 3 NHL seasons 179 games 66 goals 135 pts

Last season Tareskenko was #6 TOI forward on the Blues behind Steen, Statsny, Backes, Oshie and Shwartz.


Monahan 20 years old 2 NHL season 156 games 53 goals 96 pts #1C and #1 forward in TOI.

If Monahan just hold steady with the same season as he had in 2014-15 he statistically is significantly ahead of Taresenko.

8 yrs at at least 8M??

[dammage79]

I like the last year drop off to 5.5 accounting for the CBA re-negotiation/lockout.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Taresenko 23 years old 3 NHL seasons 179 games 66 goals 135 pts

Last season Tareskenko was #6 TOI forward on the Blues behind Steen, Statsny, Backes, Oshie and Shwartz.


Monahan 20 years old 2 NHL season 156 games 53 goals 96 pts #1C and #1 forward in TOI.

If Monahan just hold steady with the same season as he had in 2014-15 he statistically is significantly ahead of Taresenko.

8 yrs at at least 8M??

Flames would be crazy to pay him 8M a year.

[EldrickOnIce]

Not exactly comparable though.
Blues bought what, 4 UFA years with Tarasenko?
That costs

[ricardodw]

wow the Blues have 21 players signed and a cap space of 2M for the 2 more roster players.

With Jackman moving on they have Pietroangelo and Shattenkirk and Bouwmeester and then Gunnarson / Butler /Bortozzi as their top-6 d-men.... good luck with that.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

He had 62 last year, why can't you see it?

Because he doesn't drive the play like Tarasenko or Gaudreau do. Monahan is a smart player, but he's definitely not on that $7 million per year all-star tier.

If anything, I see Monahan getting a $4-5 million bridge contract similar to what Lucic got.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

wow the Blues have 21 players signed and a cap space of 2M for the 2 more roster players.

With Jackman moving on they have Pietroangelo and Shattenkirk and Bouwmeester and then Gunnarson / Butler /Bortozzi as their top-6 d-men.... good luck with that.

Everyone drink!

[Fire]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Monahan had a 62 point season last year. You don't think he'll hit 70? Fairly rare to see a player hit his ceiling in his 2nd NHL season. Tarasenko did 43 points then 73 points - a 20 point increase between his 2nd and 3rd seasons. I don't think it's unrealistic to think Monahan could improve by 8 points.

It's not impossible for Monahan to hit 70 points but I don't think it will happen next season because everything went right for Monahan last season. Himself and his line stayed very healthy this season. Will this happen again? Hudler had a career year. Can he do that again? Will Hudler even be on Monahan's line next season? Monahan's shooting percentage is quite high. Can he maintain that?

Unlike Tarasenko, Monahan lacks the play-making skills to really rack up the points at the NHL level. It wouldn't surprise if last season was very close to his peak season offensively and that wouldn't upset me all. If he can maintain a 30G 30A pace for the next 10 years the Flames would be very happy.

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Because he doesn't drive the play like Tarasenko or Gaudreau do. Monahan is a smart player, but he's definitely not on that $7 million per year all-star tier.

If anything, I see Monahan getting a $4-5 million bridge contract similar to what Lucic got.

I don't see the point in bridging him though. If you bridge him, you're just going to end up paying more for him long term. His body of work thus far shows that he is getting better and better each year, meaning if you bridge him you might save some dollars now but you'll end up paying that back when he signs his next long term deal. Give him the 8 year/ 7.5AAV now. The cap will continue to go up, which will mean in 3-5 years $7.5million will be a steal for a 20 something #1 centre.

****apologies for de-railing the thread, I know this is about Tarasenko.

[Hackey]

Fair deal for both sides. Hopefully this puts Monahan and Gaudreau around 6-7 unless they break the 70pts mark.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I don't see the point in bridging him though. If you bridge him, you're just going to end up paying more for him long term. His body of work thus far shows that he is getting better and better each year, meaning if you bridge him you might save some dollars now but you'll end up paying that back when he signs his next long term deal. Give him the 8 year/ 7.5AAV now. The cap will continue to go up, which will mean in 3-5 years $7.5million will be a steal for a 20 something #1 centre.

****apologies for de-railing the thread, I know this is about Tarasenko.

Giving Monahan $7.5 is not good cap management, it's overpaying in my view. The cap is not guaranteed to go up. If it wasn't for the 5% cap "enhancer" the NHLPA is allowed, the cap would have been lower than last season. There is a good chance the CDN $ will be heading down even lower this year, which could reduce the NHL revenues significantly.

[Dajazz]

Tarasenko: show me the money

Armstrong: here, have it. Have it all, bags and bags full of money. A lot of money.

Will be a good contract though, the kid is for real.

[Locke]

If someone said to me:

You can have either Tarasenko or RoR for the same money I know which one I'd take every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

The Sabres got hosed.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Taresenko 23 years old 3 NHL seasons 179 games 66 goals 135 pts

Last season Tareskenko was #6 TOI forward on the Blues behind Steen, Statsny, Backes, Oshie and Shwartz.


Monahan 20 years old 2 NHL season 156 games 53 goals 96 pts #1C and #1 forward in TOI.

If Monahan just hold steady with the same season as he had in 2014-15 he statistically is significantly ahead of Taresenko.

8 yrs at at least 8M??

So in his first 23 games next year Monahan has to put up 39 points in order to even have the same pace as Tarasenko. You think he will be that 135 point center every team needs next year? Or will he just have a lightning start and then cool off to a. 8 PPG pace? Because to get the same ppg as Tarasenko over his first two seasons Monahan has to basically get around 100 points next season.

That being said Treliving has to lockdown Monahan and Gaudreau, those have to be the priorities. Everyone else on the team is are much much lower priorities.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So in his first 23 games next year Monahan has to put up 39 points in order to even have the same pace as Tarasenko. You think he will be that 135 point center every team needs next year? Or will he just have a lightning start and then cool off to a. 8 PPG pace? Because to get the same ppg as Tarasenko over his first two seasons Monahan has to basically get around 100 points next season.

135 points would mean Monahan was far and away the best player in the league. At that point, we'd be lucky to get him for anything less than Kessel money.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So in his first 23 games next year Monahan has to put up 39 points in order to even have the same pace as Tarasenko. You think he will be that 135 point center every team needs next year? Or will he just have a lightning start and then cool off to a. 8 PPG pace? Because to get the same ppg as Tarasenko over his first two seasons Monahan has to basically get around 100 points next season.

Tarasenko was 21 when he played his first NHL game. Monahan hasn't even reached that age.

There's 5 players, since the lockout, that have scored more goals than Monahan's 53 in their first two years (22 and under), Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Toews and Stamkos.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Tarasenko was 21 when he played his first NHL game. Monahan hasn't even reached that age.

There's 5 players, since the lockout, that have scored more goals than Monahan's 53 in their first two years (22 and under), Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Toews and Stamkos.

Everything he's shown us so far indicates Money's probably the outlier.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

They won't get that much unless they put up 70+ points.

If they do, it's a good problem to have.

This exactly. Nothing wrong with paying a player the proper rate.