CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[GGG]

Starseed do you remember offhand who were pushing the Lego switched out so you afe scum plan?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

Mrkajz44 Hunt Day 3

• Devo22 and ECF (known townies) start the votes mrkaj around the third day of Day 3.
• Pux, GGG, and Seb (known townies) put three votes on ECF, however pux pulled off.
• Oling votes ECF, then ECF unvotes mrkaj and votes for biz.
• HG votes mrkaj to make it 3-2 for ECF
• biz votes ECF
• squiggs votes mrkaj followed by 3 known townies (from my perspective), me Timbo, and ECF again - 6-4 for mrkaj at this point.

At this point, the ECF voters were 2 known townies, and 2 unknowns (Oling/biz). The mrkaj voters were 4 known townies to 2 unknowns (from my perspective), the unknowns were HG and squiggs.

Then, the vote flipped to ECF with PE switching from HG to ECF, followed by known townie devo flipping from mrkaj to ECF, before Peanut finally made it 7-5 for ECF.


Mrkaj Hunt Day 4

• Squiggs and known townie Timbo put a couple on Mrkaj.
• Two unknowns put two on me - Oling and Peanut.
• 4 unknowns split between me and Mrkaj, Mrkaj and PE for me, HG and diss for mrkaj. 4-4 at this point.
• Known townie devo breaks the tie in my favour. 5-4. Unknown Oling then flips to mrkaj before quickly revoting to squiggs. 5-3 mrkaj.
• Known townie pux switches to me, then unknown squiggs flips from mrkaj to me. 5-4 starseed.
• I vote for mrkaj to save myself, then Diss flips to me because of it. 6-4 starseed.
• Unknown Seb (he may have been turned either then, or the next day I assume?) votes for mrkaj, then GGG saved me from lynch. 6-6

1 of 6 starseed voters were known town. If I include GGG, then 4 of 6 mrkaj voters were known town (from my perspective).

2 Mrkaj lynch voters who were passengers have been lynched out of the game. Are they the targets of the hosts for elimination/turning?

Important reading material for today

[dissentowner]

I am not entirely sure who the third host is. I am still weary of bizaro though. My instincts this game have sucked though.

[starseed]

So I just realized that mrkaj never voted to save himself on Day 3. He must have known that his scum buddies were going to save him, and did not want to draw attention to the fact that he was voting for selfish purposes.

Biz, PE, and peanut are the unknowns who voted to save him that day. PE and peanut voted ECF after the block of four voted mrkaj in a row. (Squiggs, timbo, me, then ECF)

As for who advocated the 'SS/lego must be scum due to the switch' plan, I cannot remember, but I am pretty sure peanut is on the list. Ill look into that.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by GGG

Starseed do you remember offhand who were pushing the Lego switched out so you afe scum plan?

Not that anyone cares now that the word of GGG is against me, but I am still leery about Starseed after the Lego switch. He was very active when he had some votes against him but has been much more quiet other days when the tide is not against him as much. Content to go with the flow as long as scum is not being targeted? I am also leery of Dissentowner after he jumped on people for not being around to immediately hammer MrKajz after GGG deemed it so. It's pretty easy for the scum and/or turned to follow along with GGG and gain townie cred in my opinion. And then apparently only Starseeds explanation is acceptable to Dissentowner - could be they are working together and now on board with GGG's new target because I'm not scum or turned with them.

This game day is super quiet because everyone seems to just be waiting for GGG to tell us what to do. What about the other confirmed town, Pux?

Anyways since I'm obviously on the block I'll put a vote out. I'm most suspicious of dissentowner and Starseed right now. Comfortable voting for either, but for now

Vote Dissentowner

[GGG]

We all know we could be at lynch or lose so be careful throwing out votes.

Peanut since you weren't around yesterday can you give me your top scum suspects and why,

Who do you think is turned

And what in this game demonstrates you are town.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

I also don't have a good idea on who the 1 or possibly 2 turned are.

So far we have the spore going:

Night 0 - oling unturned
Night 1 - girly unturned
Night 2 - no one
Night 3 - Seb turned
Night 4 - devo unturned
Night 5 - oling / other turned
Night 6 - other / oling turned
Night 7 - other - ???

I checked the following (keep in mind if I check a person night 5 and they get the spore night 5 I do not kill the,)
Night 1 - party
Night 2 - oling
Night 3 - Seb
Night 4 - Bizaro
Night 5 - Dis
Night 6 - Hockeyguy
Night 7 - oling

For the spore activity, it's almost a certainty that your scenario happened. With Seb being killed by the captain on Night 5, the two possibilities are devo was lynched with the spore or he was not.

If devo was lynched with the spore, the Captain killed Seb and the spore was able to be sent out again that night (Night 5).

If devo did not have the spore, the Captain killed Seb, but still had to wait a day to send out the spore. This would mean that the spore couldn't be sent until Night 6. Oling received the spore at one point, so he could have been infected Night 6, received the news as Day 7 started, and then GGG killed him on night 7. Let's assume this happened. Since Oling was killed on Night 7, does he get to send the spore to someone before he dies? If not, is the spore out of the game and it dies with him? Do the hosts have the opportunity to regain it if this scenario happened?

Since no one has said they passed the spore to someone on Night 7, this could mean that someone turned on Night 7, or that Oling was killed with it. If Oling turned on Night 5, after the hosts regained the spore by killing Seb, then it is likely there is at least one turned. I'm not sure I can think of a scenario where there are two turned, given that nights 0-4 eliminate a lot of those scenarios.

[GGG]

The spore is sent out before I kill the turned.

Two turned is night 5/6 non oling and night 7 50/50. We certainly have 1 turned from 5/6. So there is a 50% chance of two turned right now.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

For the spore activity, it's almost a certainty that your scenario happened. With Seb being killed by the captain on Night 5, the two possibilities are devo was lynched with the spore or he was not.

If devo was lynched with the spore, the Captain killed Seb and the spore was able to be sent out again that night (Night 5).

If devo did not have the spore, the Captain killed Seb, but still had to wait a day to send out the spore. This would mean that the spore couldn't be sent until Night 6. Oling received the spore at one point, so he could have been infected Night 6, received the news as Day 7 started, and then GGG killed him on night 7. Let's assume this happened. Since Oling was killed on Night 7, does he get to send the spore to someone before he dies? If not, is the spore out of the game and it dies with him? Do the hosts have the opportunity to regain it if this scenario happened?

Since no one has said they passed the spore to someone on Night 7, this could mean that someone turned on Night 7, or that Oling was killed with it. If Oling turned on Night 5, after the hosts regained the spore by killing Seb, then it is likely there is at least one turned. I'm not sure I can think of a scenario where there are two turned, given that nights 0-4 eliminate a lot of those scenarios.

Can't think of a scenario with two turned. Really? You don't have to jump through a lot of hoops to imagine a scenario where there are 2 turned right now.

Night 0 - oling unturned
Night 1 - girly unturned
Night 2 - no one
Night 3 - Seb turned
Night 4 - devo unturned
Night 5 - oling turned
Night 6 - other turned
Night 7 - other turned (oling killed)

I guess it's possible squiggs didn't think of this, but I don't think that's the case. All he had to do was sketch it out on GGG's timeline that he quoted. Squiggs, are you trying to dismiss the possibility of two turned here or do you know something we don't?

[starseed]

First of all, I have been saying that I voted for mrkaj on day 3, but it was actually lego (same thing for the purpose of the game though). Last night I realized that since my spreadsheet has my name in place of lego's for the first few days, I just said it was me. I did not enter until day 4.

Here are the posts related to the start of the votes for me on day 4, starting with probably unturned Oling and unknown peanut.

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Vote: Starseed

I saw this play out last time to the mafia's benefit.

I feel there's an added responsibility playing with a team, added pressure to keep active than there would be as just a townie. Lego Man may have real world commitments (obviously) but based on some of his longer posts he's been keeping up and actively looking for host...or we're lead to believe.

If he was having someone ghost write his posts, it may explain why XXX slipped through the cracks as they collaborated in the host thread.

Regardless of the switch, I've made my suspicion for Lego Man known before.

Originally Posted by Peanut

I don't like the sub in for Lego (sorry starseed, you know I love you). If Lego was town, why wouldn't he just have continued to participate as he was available. Maybe the demands of being scum were too much for his time and he felt obligated to get a sub now that some people are casting suspicion his way. The sub-in feels scummy to me. Also I'm surprised that Lego didn't mention it in the thread at all before leaving. I was originally more suspicious of PE, but this sub in has swung me over to the Lego-as-scum side.

Vote: Starseed

Then squiggs mentions that he finds it odd that no one supported his push to vote for me (lego) until I replaced lego. Biz responds, and they have an exchange, followed by a comment from GGG:

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think saying you got no support probably a bit overstated, you got no votes, but Lego has always been on my list, but never a top suspect. I suspect that's true for others. I will quote some of my "suspicious of Lego posts" below. The common theme is I think he's suspicious but there's someone else I think is more suspicous. Which is probably not a bad place for him to be if he's scum.

I think starseed subbing in for him is just one more confirmation that he could be scum who doesn't have enough time to play effectively as scum, and keep up with the scum thread as well. As previously mentioned, the time difference could have made it harder for them to coordinate. I'm not going to switch my vote from party to starseed just yet, but I'm definitely considering it.

One final thought, if starseed has taken over a mafia position, he's dangerous. I remember how he played in the parker/barrow double mafia game, and he was deadly as a mafia member.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I disagree that I overstated it. Votes are support. If you didn't vote for Lego, then you didn't support my crusade. I understand it's a game, so I'm not angry. I'm just perplexed by people voting for him now that he switched out, rather than when I was openly campaigning for it. Instead of joining the Lego vote, three townies were voted instead. There are always people that are going to be suspicious, but until you vote for someone, you haven't supported the lynch against them.



Reading the above quote in context with ECF (a dead townie) stating he didn't trust bizaro, it really reads like a post from a host. If bizaro is a host, this is a perfect opportunity to try and cast doubt on a new player to take any suspicion away from himself.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason he's getting votes now is that something has changed, and that something makes him more suspicious.

Honest question: Does lego switching out for starseed make you more or less likely to think that player is scum?

As for the second paragraph, by that logic anything I or the other people ECF/active/girly called out or voted for is casting doubt on someone else to move suspicion. I'm going to keep hunting scum until the end of the game or I'm lynched, I'm not pulling back just because a dead townie is mistaken about me.

Honestly, it seems weird to me that you were pushing a lego vote pretty hard, but now that he's switched out and there is actual momentum for your idea you're pushing back.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Lego switching out for starseed does change things. Lego posted so infrequently. starseed posts walls of texts. We are seeing this already. People gave Lego credit for his posts, but I didn't see any value in them. Starseed is very convincing, so much so that he can convince people that someone that just unearthed two scums, and pointed to the third, that they must be voted out. If starseed gets me lynched at any point in this game again I will forever hold a grudge, unless he is a host, and then he's just doing his job.

I was definitely pushing the Lego vote hard, but at this point I'd rather go after mrkajz. Since there are already two votes on starseed, I don't want to be seen as the follower, unless there is good evidence. The thing that leads me to be suspicious is that once I pause/abandon a plan, then others suddenly think it's a good idea.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I understand what you are trying to say. You are saying all the votes onto you were host driven and all the votes on ECF were town driven. I'm saying I don't believe this to be true. You said 2 of HG, Squiggs, Timbo, Lego and ECF are scum. We know ECF is town. I know I am town. According to your analysis that leaves 2 of HG, Timbo and Lego/starseed to be scum. There is quite possibly 1 scum in there, but I'd be shocked if there were two.

The two votes that swung it from ECF to you were devo switching his vote from you to ECF, and Peanut switching from Timbo to ECF. I'm not too concerned about the Peanut vote anymore. The devo one is somewhat concerning. You were in real trouble before that happened.

Originally Posted by GGG

I do think subs are more likely to be scum but not significantly so i am for now discounting it my thoughts on the Lego starseed slot. Even if its twice as likely for scum to switch out it raises the scum prob from 3/14 to 6/14 and i dont believe its twice as likely for scum to sub out.

I am jumping on the Party Wagon now for reasons i posted earlier. Thought i had actually voted earlier but didnt.

vote party elephant

Mrkaj was the third to vote for me, and makes a very interesting post that sort-of defends the PE and peanut ECF votes as 'just following known townie Seb'. He also defends squiggs' vote for him because he was ready to vote for HG. He insinuates that HG and I were in cahoots, trying to take him down to protect HG from lynch.

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

With the deadline tomorrow, I feel its time for me to put a vote down.

Vote: Starseed

Here is my reasoning:

My analysis on the vote swings on Friday are my most pervasive form of evidence at this point. I think HG is scum for reasons and discussions I've posted int he past, so I really think the scum drove the vote of HG:

The move off HG to me included Squiggs, Timbo, and Lego.

The squiggs angle doesn't really work now as he seems pretty somewhat of HG as scum and even said he'd lead the charge on him if I'm lynched and flip town. That'd be a ballsy bluff for scum.

Timbo I'm still not sure on. I can't get a great read, and that one vote shift isn't really enough for me at this point. I was more suspicious of him earlier, but nothing major has made me really convinced of anything.

That leaves Lego / Starseed. Lego was one of the people who moved over to me from HG, so that makes me think there are some mafia ties. As mentioned by others, Lego deciding to be subbed out has some suspicious feelings to it. Also, Starseed comes in with his analysis and pick outs PE, Timbo, Diss and me as top candidates. I guess I just feel like that list wont really make any waves. All the people on his list are already in most peoples "I don't know category" so its a nice way to blend in and make a vote / list without causing trouble. I see it as trying to blend too much, and with everything else, that pushes me over the edge for Lego / Starseed.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Can't think of a scenario with two turned. Really? You don't have to jump through a lot of hoops to imagine a scenario where there are 2 turned right now.

Night 0 - oling unturned
Night 1 - girly unturned
Night 2 - no one
Night 3 - Seb turned
Night 4 - devo unturned
Night 5 - oling turned
Night 6 - other turned
Night 7 - other turned (oling killed)

I guess it's possible squiggs didn't think of this, but I don't think that's the case. All he had to do was sketch it out on GGG's timeline that he quoted. Squiggs, are you trying to dismiss the possibility of two turned here or do you know something we don't?

Did Oling and/or mrkajz type this? It has all the elements. You give a scenario that I didn't think of, and immediately jump to the conclusion that it is impossible I couldn't have thought of it. You assume I must know more than anyone. And your post contains errors. These errors will be glossed over as typos, whereas my errors will need top be criticized as "proof" I must be a host.

So Oling was turned Night 5 and Night 6? In your timeline there is still only one turned. That is the same number I suggested as being turned in the scenario where Oling is killed with the spore. As GGG pointed out, the spore is sent before the night kill is made.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Since no one has said they passed the spore to someone on Night 7, this could mean that someone turned on Night 7, or that Oling was killed with it. If Oling turned on Night 5, after the hosts regained the spore by killing Seb, then it is likely there is at least one turned. I'm not sure I can think of a scenario where there are two turned, given that nights 0-4 eliminate a lot of those scenarios.

I think it's reasonable to say that your last sentence makes no sense.

However it's not allignment indicitive as I see no benefit between a host or turned trying to say this when it's obvious that their could be two. Not enough benefit for it to be intentional.

Party are you trying to say that Squiggs is Host? Because that is no longer a possibility.

[GGG]

Vote 1 without known town
activeStick (8):bizaro86, Hockeyguy15,
GirlySports (5): Lego Man, Party Elephant, mrkajz44
East Coast Flame (1): Peanut
Hockeyguy15 (1):

Vote 2 without known town
GirlySports (9): bizaro86, Hockeyguy15, Lego Man, Peanut
Timbo (3): mrkajz44,
Hockeyguy15 (2): Party Elephant

Vote 3 without known town
East Coast Flame (7): bizaro86, Party Elephant, Peanut
mrkajz44 (5): Hockeyguy15, Lego Man,
Hockeyguy15 (3): mrkajz44

Vote 4 without known town
Hasn't Voted (1): Oling_Roachinen
Starseed (6): Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant,
mrkajz44 (7): Hockeyguy15, Starseed, GGG, bizaro86 (late)


Vote 5 without known town
devo22 (6): starseed, Party Elephant, mrkajz44 (late vote to insure lynch)
mrkajz44 (3): Hockeyguy15,
Party Elephant (2): bizaro86
Oling_Roachinen (1): Peanut

Vote 6 without town
Hasn't Voted (1): starseed
Timbo (7): Oling_Roachinen, Party Elephant, bizaro86, mrkajz44, Peanut,
Peanut (3):Hockeyguy15,

So here is where the votes are with known town removed plus Squiggs and Diss. Oling votes for days 1-5 are removed as he was turned night 5 or night 6.

Vote 1: lends itself to peanut plus Mrkajz, plus one of HG or Biz
Vote 2: party, mrkajz and one of peanut, hd, biz, Starseed
Vote 3:knowing Mrkajz is scum you split the vote to 2 on leader one on other party,peanut. And Mrkajz

Vote 4: all 3in direct defense of Mrkajz: peanut, party, mrkajz
Vote 5: 2 on devo and one on other would make sense. is oling turned? Peanuts vote here against oling here wouldn't make sense. Party, mrkajz, Biz make most sense here
Vote6: 3 on scum doesn't make sense here. 1 of party, biz, or peanut, HG or Starseed

So you can see there are problems with the peanut vote.

In vote one is it really likely that their were no scum on the active stick wagon? This means HG or Biz have to be scum and only 1 of party and peanut need to be scum.

In vote 6 was there anyone they were defending to put all the votes on Timbo. The momentum from Diss campaign against HG and Timbo was good.

Would HG as scum vote his scum buddy everyday? I believe that is something in his scum play book.

So what do people think
peanut or party?
HG or Biz?

We need more discussion.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think it's reasonable to say that your last sentence makes no sense.

I probably shouldn't post after drinking. It made sense at the time, and even some sense this morning.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

Would HG as scum vote his scum buddy everyday? I believe that is something in his scum play book.

So what do people think
peanut or party?
HG or Biz?

We need more discussion.

My guess is bizaro as host over HG. I'm not sure bizaro being late to the mrkajz/starseed non-lynch was an accident. He posted 8 minutes before the deadline, and then voted 3 minutes after the deadline. I understand that he had some real life issues at the time, like we all do, but if he could post right before the deadline, you'd think he could have voted in that post. The two biggest holdups for me on bizaro are:

1) bizaro got mad at devo right before devo was lynched, saying he should keep fighting if he was town. It didn't feel forced, and it felt like he really wanted devo to stay alive if he was town. Shortly after he voted for PE and felt like devo was town

2) Right before Oling was night killed he said bizaro and mrk seemed to be working together. Whether this is a bold move to put it out there and hope no one connects the dots, or a post to try and link them to put heat on bizaro after mrk was lynched remains to be seen. When bizaro unvoted for devo and put it on PE, mrk came in to make sure everyone knew that bizaro pulled his vote off and that he (mrk) was making sure he was ensuring the lynch went through.

HG has been active on mrkajz almost the whole game. The vote where mrkajz kept saying it seemed scummy that all the votes went onto him, where I kept pointing out that the neutral votes moving to ECF seemed scummy should be looked at. With the vote at 4-4-4 HG-mrk-ECF, Peanut, starseed (Lego) and ECF were all on neutral targets.

Here is mrk's "death post":

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Well - it seems the vote is pretty much set, so its time to spill the (vanilla) beans.

There is no great reveal here, I am just a vanilla townie.

My best advice is for everyone to make sure every post you are making revolves around hunting scum. There are too many posts right now that don't focus on that, and in the famous words of Seb, it just creates noise.

The spore will only distract and the government agent is still out there (I hope) doing their work on it. Long posts back and forth between each other about small details just let the scum hide and watch.

Look at voting patterns, when people vote, reasoning, and try your best to view from multiple angles. Don't start with a conclusion and try to fit the evidence into what you've already decided. Start with 3 or 4 scenarios and look at things through different lenses and see which lens is the best focused.

My top picks for scum are clear. HG is my top pick, he clearly has an agenda and was likely saved by scum movement on the Day 3 vote. Watch for how he stars subtly steering tomorrow.

Starseed is not contributing like he did last game and did a great job showing up and just blending in. His predecessor Lego liked to do full town lists, and not really focus on anyone.

Timbo likes to pick apart posts, but he tends to do it by twisting words. It seems he knows he can't quite put the logic together, so a small "misinterpretation" of words helps the cause.

Diss loves to stand up and shout "look at how I am acting like the model townie"! He makes sure you know he is doing town things, almost to convince himself that he is acting how a townie would.

I am convinced 2 of those 4 are scum. Hunt them down.

He had to know that there was the possibility he'd be lynched that day. Because of that, what he left us should be looked at with a grain of salt. He left his suspects of HG, Timbo, starseed (Lego) and diss. Timbo is town. diss has a lot of town cred right now, including Peanut (who will likely be lynched on Day 8) voting for diss right now. His plan was to somehow get the votes off of him at the time (which he did, including mine). It makes sense that starseed is on the list, being that he is the other front runner. If mrk and HG are both scum, would mrk be so bold to put one of his own down on his list? Maybe, but I'm not sure.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

His predecessor Lego liked to do full town lists, and not really focus on anyone.

I think everyone should post a full list of every other player in the game. This will help limit what directives the hosts can give to their turned. If they tell them to focus on player X, well what if they said they were certain player X was town yesterday?

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Did Oling and/or mrkajz type this? It has all the elements. You give a scenario that I didn't think of, and immediately jump to the conclusion that it is impossible I couldn't have thought of it. You assume I must know more than anyone. And your post contains errors. These errors will be glossed over as typos, whereas my errors will need top be criticized as "proof" I must be a host.

So Oling was turned Night 5 and Night 6? In your timeline there is still only one turned. That is the same number I suggested as being turned in the scenario where Oling is killed with the spore. As GGG pointed out, the spore is sent before the night kill is made.

Read it again. Oling turned night 5. Passed it to someone else night 6, that person turns. That person passes it night 7 to someone else who turns. With oling dead that still leaves two turned. How are you not getting this?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

My guess is bizaro as host over HG. I'm not sure bizaro being late to the mrkajz/starseed non-lynch was an accident. He posted 8 minutes before the deadline, and then voted 3 minutes after the deadline. I understand that he had some real life issues at the time, like we all do, but if he could post right before the deadline, you'd think he could have voted in that post. The two biggest holdups for me on bizaro are:

1) bizaro got mad at devo right before devo was lynched, saying he should keep fighting if he was town. It didn't feel forced, and it felt like he really wanted devo to stay alive if he was town. Shortly after he voted for PE and felt like devo was town

2) Right before Oling was night killed he said bizaro and mrk seemed to be working together. Whether this is a bold move to put it out there and hope no one connects the dots, or a post to try and link them to put heat on bizaro after mrk was lynched remains to be seen. When bizaro unvoted for devo and put it on PE, mrk came in to make sure everyone knew that bizaro pulled his vote off and that he (mrk) was making sure he was ensuring the lynch went through.

HG has been active on mrkajz almost the whole game. The vote where mrkajz kept saying it seemed scummy that all the votes went onto him, where I kept pointing out that the neutral votes moving to ECF seemed scummy should be looked at. With the vote at 4-4-4 HG-mrk-ECF, Peanut, starseed (Lego) and ECF were all on neutral targets.

Here is mrk's "death post":



He had to know that there was the possibility he'd be lynched that day. Because of that, what he left us should be looked at with a grain of salt. He left his suspects of HG, Timbo, starseed (Lego) and diss. Timbo is town. diss has a lot of town cred right now, including Peanut (who will likely be lynched on Day 8) voting for diss right now. His plan was to somehow get the votes off of him at the time (which he did, including mine). It makes sense that starseed is on the list, being that he is the other front runner. If mrk and HG are both scum, would mrk be so bold to put one of his own down on his list? Maybe, but I'm not sure.

I think that in any death post list you always include 1 scum and a few townies.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Read it again. Oling turned night 5. Passed it to someone else night 6, that person turns. That person passes it night 7 to someone else who turns. With oling dead that still leaves two turned. How are you not getting this?

Oops. I read that as Oling turned 5&6. I had even just created a long post where I showed it. Unfortunately oling and other looked the same. Apologies.

The stating I know more than everyone part of my post still stands.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Yeah, the last post by Diss is a bit odd. Oiling sort of nails it on the head, just seems like such a weird post to make with days to go until the deadline and only 2 votes have been placed. However, re-reading Diss' posts, I just don't get the feeling of scum and I think he just was venting a little frustration of being targeted early. I'm interested to see his future posts as alluded to above.

For me, thinking about some of the posts that came off as "different" early on, I have to say that Seb's strategy definitely caught my attention. It has some merit for sure, where there is simply too much noise with lots of posts. Sort of a direct shot against "the more information the better". It's a bit outside the box, but not a terrible idea.

However, what struck me as much more interesting was the way Party sort of latched onto that idea and ran with it. It seems like Seb thought out that strategy and wants to stick to it, but Party just grabbed a hold of the same idea and uses that to explain a very low post count, that has little to no content. Party also said they were new to Mafia, and I'm guessing drawing a Mafia card in their very first game would be very nerve racking and the fear of slipping up would be great, hence the low post count without much substance. Their instant vote sort of tears down that argument though, but maybe it was just heat of the moment?

So, I'm sticking to my idea of waiting until Monday to make a voting decision because posting is so infrequent on the weekends, but Party is at the top of my list for now. I'd like to hear a little more from them.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Okay, just saw that Diss replied while I was typing. That response sort of confirms my thinking. Diss is talking gameplay quite well already, much more than many others at this point. I think the "2 votes already" post was just a frustration post, nothing more.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I appreciate the response, Party. However, I still get that feeling where you are a new player and have no experience, so drawing a Mafia card in the first game would be intimidating and as a result you are just trying to avoid making waves.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but responding to my post so quickly just makes me feel like you are constantly monitoring the thread, but not really posting much unless you are specifically mentioned. This has happened twice now. First with GGGs vote against you, you were able to respond in just a few minutes, and then after my post last night, you were able to respond in about an hour. It just seems so lurky to me.

Vote: Party Elephant

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

So I completely missed the fact that Party is, in fact, in NZ and therefore their odd posting schedule might be completely due to the time difference.

I looked back on when they tended to respond and it seemed to line up with the NZ time zone rather well. Therefore, my earlier conclusion that they were lurking and only responding in the thread when their name came up is pretty much shot; it was all just a coincidence. That was the main reason I had a hunch on them, so I don't feel right keeping the vote on them.

unvote

Since we are so close to deadline though, I don't want to leave a vote off. I'm sort of neutral on Active right now, I can't really seem to read his play. When looking at Girly though, I see a lot of straight up "fact" posts, where she is just clarifying the rules of the game more-so than anything. She also seems to be the person most pre-occupied with the spore and Day 2 strategy already. We are already in a bit of a bind with not enough votes to lynch anyone at deadline, yet she seems more concerned with how voting might go on Day 2, and what might happen with the spore. It rubs me the wrong way as if she is trying to lay some groundwork for tomorrow already (already knows what happened with the spore? already knows her mafia buddies are safe? I don't know for sure, but these are the thoughts I'm having)

Vote: GirlySports

I really think one of Diss or PE are a host, Mrkajz brought them both up day 1 and then shortly after came up with a simple reason to back off of them. it's almost like he was saying "move along, nothing to see here".

Add the fact that diss and PE were both after me before Mrkajz picked up his arguments against me, then the both of them just suddenly stop going after me. Mrkajz also backed off going after me and just subtly would mention me in passing. I think the hosts wanted me out but weren't having success with it so they backed right off.