Same sex marriage; A look at CP's gradual acceptance

[Coach]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Yeah for sure. That's reasonable. I just can't say that when someone says, "I only date white boys or I only date within my race" it isn't a bit racist. It strikes me as prejudicial. At the very least it seems ignorant in that the person isn't even willing to get to know someone who might be very attractive to them after all.

And it's not the same as liking or not liking cilantro. Leafy greens are way more complicated than relating to other humans.

Oh it's definitely prejudiced if it's a choice, I don't think that's even a question. Girls that say they only date black dudes (whatever their reason is) are racist. They are likely going after the stereotype of black guys that we all know. If you choose your dating partner based on stereotypes surrounding their ethnicity (whether favorable for them or not), you're prejudiced.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Finding it offensive that people have physical preferences makes about as much sense to me as finding it offensive that some people don't like cilantro.

Cilantro is the worst. I am a complete cilantrophobe.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I actually find it really offensive when people indicate a racial preference. It just seems ignorant and indicative of someone who would prejudge in other aeas as well. Like how can you be attracted or not attracted to someone without knowing anything about them? It never fails that when I talk to someone my initial impression of them changes.

Does no one else see the irony of someone being offended by peoples sexual preferences/who the find attractive, in a thread about marriage equality?

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Haha, I don't mean calling someone it, them, they.
Some transgender people use (newly invented?) pronouns like zir, zem, ze, etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender...8s.29he.2C_etc.

Stick to the gender they prefer to identify with and you'll be fine dude. You're way overthinking things.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

People having the freedom to express their thoughts doesn't shield them from being criticized for their opinions.

Criticism is fine. I was talking about being verbally abused over it

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Criticism is fine. I was talking about being verbally abused over it

When has anyone on this site been verbally abused because they expressed opposition to gay marriage? Even in this very thread, a few posters stated they were against it, and the response has been tame and civil. I can't possibly imagine WCW Nitro, for example, feels like he was the victim of verbal abuse based on the responses he's received in this thread.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Are people really worried about the sisters who want to get married? This is a concern of yours? Sisters getting married? Do you know, or have you ever met, sisters who want to marry?

If so, you must hang in some pretty wild circles, and I'm surprised something as benign as gay marriage is something you are against.

We are not wondering what could happen anymore. Same-sex marriage has been legal for Canada for 10 years. We heard all of this before, including the faux concern about the guy who will want to marry his mom, or the woman who wants to marry a Christmas ham.

It didn't happen. It hasn't. It won't. And on the odd chance that suddenly there is a significant portion of society who want to marry their sister, then let them fight it out.

You are arguing against marriage equality based on bizarre hypotheticals.

Best post in this thread. Or in this discussion period. Bravo.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

When has anyone on this site been verbally abused because they expressed opposition to gay marriage? Even in this very thread, a few posters stated they were against it, and the response has been tame and civil. I can't possibly imagine WCW Nitro, for example, feels like he was the victim of verbal abuse based on the responses he's received in this thread.

I never said it happened in this thread

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I never said it happened in this thread

Anywhere else on the forum then.

I can't recall a single example where someone was "verbally abused" because of their opposition to gay marriage. If such a thing has indeed happened, then it should have been reported to the mods as that kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable regardless of which side of the gay marriage debate one is on.

[MRCboicgy]

Usually when I have discussions with people who say being gay is a choice, I bring up the fact that their religion is a choice too. You may be born into a Jewish, Christian, Muslim or even Agnostic or Atheist family, but you can truly choose to change anytime. You can stop going to church, you can join any religion you want.

There are holes in the argument for sure, but its been surprisingly effective in getting people to understand that it's not a choice or at least consider the fact it's truly not.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Anywhere else on the forum then.

I can't recall a single example where someone was "verbally abused" because of their opposition to gay marriage. If such a thing has indeed happened, then it should have been reported to the mods as that kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable regardless of which side of the gay marriage debate one is on.

I never said that either.

Just go re-read my first post in this thread, I think I've said the same thing pretty clearly a few times already.

[WCW Nitro]

Just to be clear, I never thought I was being verbally abused or anything like that. In fact, I was getting the sense that MY views were upsetting some, and I understand that. And I didn't want it to turn into a debate because there's nothing really to debate as most are on one side, it was just an honest answer on how and why I feel the way I do, as crazy and foolish as it may seem.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Just to be clear, I never thought I was being verbally abused or anything like that. In fact, I was getting the sense that MY views were upsetting some, and I understand that. And I didn't want it to turn into a debate because there's nothing really to debate as most are on one side, it was just an honest answer on how and why I feel the way I do, as crazy and foolish as it may seem.

There is a debate to be had. In fact people like you stepping up and speaking for your side despite the overwhelming opposition was the exact point of the thread.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ernie

I'll repeat what Jon Stewart said when addressing this slippery slope stuff.

"What's to prevent someone from marrying multiple people etc?"

"You aren't born a polygamist".

Actually, we may well be born polygamists. Or at least more naturally polygamist than monogamous. Enduring monogamous commitment certainly isn't the default mode of human social arrangement.

Also, I believe homosexuality can be innate or a choice, and one is as legitimate as the other.

[jtfrogger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Also, I believe homosexuality can be innate or a choice, and one is as legitimate as the other.

I think that anyone that states that homosexuality is a choice must be bisexual. Because they are adamant that it is a choice, they must believe that their own attractions are a choice. They could choose to flip their attraction to a person of the opposite sex than it is currently aligned.

For me, it isn't a choice. I respect that it is for some bisexual people.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Just to be clear, I never thought I was being verbally abused or anything like that. In fact, I was getting the sense that MY views were upsetting some, and I understand that. And I didn't want it to turn into a debate because there's nothing really to debate as most are on one side, it was just an honest answer on how and why I feel the way I do, as crazy and foolish as it may seem.

Yep and that is cool dude, my problem is not with that specific belief you have, but the fact you are religiously motivated to believe as you do.

[Yamer]

However you look at it, heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual, logic dictates that there is a predisposed physiological inclination that compels someone to have sexual attraction to any or all of those genders and/or sexes. Choosing the individual with which you wish to engage in sexual activity may be a choice, but outright sexual attraction to a certain preset type is not.

Asking someone to deny a nature that has no negative impact on those participating or that of larger society is unreasonable. If it's a matter of interpreting your own sense of morality on the issue, that is your own personal issue.

[FlamesAddiction]

On a certain level, I can respect that some people have a moral objection to it. What I don't agree with is when some people think that their own personal morals and principles should dictate what others are allowed to do. There are many things that I find morally offensive, but as long as I am not forced to participate in them, I can't morally object to the practice.


For the record, I don't find anything morally wrong with homosexuality. I don't remember ever really caring about that sort of thing.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On a certain level, I can respect that some people have a moral objection to it. What I don't agree with is when some people think that their own personal morals and principles should dictate what others are allowed to do. There are many things that I find morally offensive, but as long as I am not forced to participate in them, I can't morally object to the practice.

For the record, I don't find anything morally wrong with homosexuality. I don't remember ever really caring about that sort of thing.

You can respect that some people have a moral objection to homosexuality? What an offensive statement. What on earth is respectable about having a moral objection to two people that are attracted to one another? Particularly when it has nothing whatsoever to do with the person with the moral objection.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You can respect that some people have a moral objection to homosexuality? What an offensive statement. What on earth is respectable about having a moral objection to two people that are attracted to one another? Particularly when it has nothing whatsoever to do with the person with the moral objection.

I never said that. The topic of the thread is same sex marriage, not homosexuality in general.


For whatever reason, their experiences and upbringing developed those principles in them and they strongly feel that marriage can only exist between a man and a woman. I disagree with their opinions and don't think they have a right to push laws on others that reflect their personal morals, but if they have those principles and stick to them without bothering anyone else, I can respect that. It's just too bad that most of them can't keep it to themselves it seems.


Just like I can respect the fact that you hate dogs and dog owners. I disagree with your opinion, but respect the fact that on a certain level, you are a person with strong principles on a particular issue.