[Rumour] Dreger: Calgary pushing hard for Talbot. McKenzie: Flames have interest in Jones too

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Right, but I also think that there are good goalies on the market that are better than Talbot. Niemi and Dubnyk would be ideal candidates to go after, and we don't have to trade any assets for them.

don't like Niemi at all. I'd rather roll the dice on Jones or Talbot. Dubnyk I wouldn't mind tho.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

You may be right. We'll see!

The 3-4 years would be time to evaluate Talbot, Ortio, and Gilles, and then decide how to proceed. It gives the Flames more flexibility and options than only having Ortio and Gilles signed after next season, and exploring the trade or FA market for another goalie at that time.

We don't really need to evaluate them though. If we're a good team defensively, unless the netminder is of below average talent, we're going to get good production out of the position. My gripe is that we don't need to spend valuable assets on the position, especially if it's to acquire someone who was a replacement level goaltender at best for his entire career. Players of his ilk routinely go for far cheaper prices.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Dagger

This is about giving up two highly valuable second round picks, if not more, for a goaltender who comes from a system that routinely makes goaltenders look better than they are, and would in your view be effectively a stop-gap goalie. Netminders of Cam Talbot's pedigree can be found about anywhere, and Glen Sather is looking to make a sucker out of someone.

I dunno... I can see a scenario where this (trade 2 2nd rounders for Talbot) makes sense.

A: Trade 2 second ronders for Talbot
B: Trade Hiller for X
C: Later (When Gillies is NHL Ready) trade Talbot or Orto for Y

So long as X + Y exceeds the cost of Talbot then it works... bit of a gamble though.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't think they are going to gift Ortio an NHL spot, back up or otherwise. Even with the waiver situation.

Ortio also has a one way. I think it's pretty likely he's in the NHL next year

[SuperMatt18]

Seems crazy to me that this is the market for goalies.

Just couple years ago it only took Scrivens, Frattin, and a 2nd for Bernier.

He was arguably better and more heralded then the people being offered this week.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not sure, but if the rumors of the Flames are true...

Clearly the Flames don't have the confidence in the goalies and believe they need to add.

So the answer is to give up assets during a rebuild, for an unproven goalie who's a UFA after the season?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

I guess I'm willing to gamble two 2nd round picks to see what we have in him this season (2015/2016). Has he shown anything we should be uber-scared of? As someone mentioned, AHL All-Star and a great 5-game stint in the NHL.

If our tandem blows-up in fantastic fashion it seems as though:
a) You can address it mid-season
b) You have not jeopardized a season we're "Making a run for it"

But all the while you have your two 2nds. And I just don't think it would blow up that bad with Hiller / Ortio.

Who's trading a quality goalie in mid season?

[madmike]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

A lot of people in this thread have a lot of faith in Hiller/Ortio tandem. While Hiller was solid last year, he often looked like he was about to fall off the rails and Hartley would switch to Ramo, letting Hiller get it together again. If the same pattern holds true, using Ortio as they did Ramo next year could blow up big time. There is a lot of potential risk, at the moment, with the Flames goaltending situation.

I can't really speak to Talbot as I know nothing about him. If they do acquire him, they must think he can either be a more traditional number one with Ortio as backup, or perhaps they let all three work it out in camp. Starting goaltenders have to come from somewhere, usually as a backup, so I am not as concerned with Talbot's inexperience as others.

Not sure where Ramo fits in all of this. It certainly seems like he is not in the plans, for whatever reason.

I don't view this as a "make or break" year. If the Flames do well, great. If they slide out of the playoffs again that's fine too. They're still a couple of years away from being a true Cup contender in my opinion, which is why I don't think they need to make a goalie move in the short term. They're better off staying patient and letting their own prospects develop.

[FBI]

Don't know much about Talbot but my emotional state to trading two 2nds for him on draft day is: HELL NO

[Bingo]

I'm as trepidatious as anyone on this, but I do see the need goaltending wise to do something.

They have a year of Hiller than a gaping hole, and I don't see extending Hiller as wise. Ortio may be the guy, but better to have a back up plan and share the net then just give him the job and have him fail.

Last year the Flames goaltending was average at best, and not the reason they made the playoffs. If they take that save percentage up 3 points it makes a huge difference to a young team that seems to have the offensive options to do some damage.

Just hope they have the right guy.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I dunno... I can see a scenario where this (trade 2 2nd rounders for Talbot) makes sense.

A: Trade 2 second ronders for Talbot
B: Trade Hiller for X
C: Later (When Gillies is NHL Ready) trade Talbot or Orto for Y

So long as X + Y exceeds the cost of Talbot then it works... bit of a gamble though.

Do you not think it's barbaric that Jonas Hiller who is a known commodity, with a far more extensive track record, costs less than a man who was a journeyman goaltender outside of the past 34 games? Hiller's contract isn't unreasonable, and he's only got a year remaining, so I would find it difficult to believe that would account for the gulf in their asking price.

Why not save ourselves the second rounders, trade Hiller if they're not comfortable with him for more assets, and pay a goalie to be a stop-gap with Ortio next year? The mantra has been "we're still rebuilding" which is all well and good, but if you go out and give up two valuable assets for an older, replacement level netminder, Treliving and Burke are being a tad disingenuous.

In 3 years from now, when all of our young players are either getting paid, or about to get paid, it will be these second round picks that are hopefully ready to step into the lineup, and replace the older depth guys that we can't afford to keep, and provide the production needed to propel us on a deep run in the playoffs. This to me will show a lot about just how serious they are about sticking to the rebuild mantra.

[polak]

We should be looking for help on D. Not in net.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Who's trading a quality goalie in mid season?

A Vezina candidate was traded mid-season - and he went for a third.

[Royle9]

This sums up Dredgers idea of "rumors" for me

[Badgers Nose]

Throw money at Dubnyk and keep the picks. Please!

Then trade Hiller for a 2nd or two.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Who's trading a quality goalie in mid season?

Miikka Kiprusoff was traded Nov 16, 2003.

[dammage79]

Now that Lehner is out, I'd rather not go after any of them unless Jones is reasonably priced. And That won't happen.

[ricosuave]

So Bernier's wife posted a tweet a while back about her husband being moved...

Any interest in him?

Just asking, dont really care for him myself, plus the fact he has the leaf stink all over him, but then again, I dont watch their play.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Throw money at Dubnyk and keep the picks. Please!

Then trade Hiller for a 2nd or two.

I would pass on that plan, speculation Dubnyk wants lots of money with a long term contract.

Personally would rather move other assets.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm as trepidatious as anyone on this, but I do see the need goaltending wise to do something.

They have a year of Hiller than a gaping hole, and I don't see extending Hiller as wise. Ortio may be the guy, but better to have a back up plan and share the net then just give him the job and have him fail.

Last year the Flames goaltending was average at best, and not the reason they made the playoffs. If they take that save percentage up 3 points it makes a huge difference to a young team that seems to have the offensive options to do some damage.

Just hope they have the right guy.

I agree with everything in this post but why can't they go with a year of Hiller/Ortio and see how Ortio does?