CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

With both Starseed and Mrkajz44 so close to the lynch several times, if they are town they certainly didn't get the spore. Do you agree with that at least?

I can't say if they did or didn't get the spore with certainty.
Is it likely... probably not, even more so if one or both is host.

Is it plausible they have it? Maybe, but unlikely, however I know we have not proven to be a step ahead of Scum.

[Oling_Roachinen]

How can you take that out of context? That very clearly shows I don't know what Starseed is and may have made a big mistake in 'saving' him over Devo22 (even if anyone wants to disagree that I saved him, I could have hammered him, so if he is host I still messed up badly.) I don't think Starseed is host. I'm not willing to put him on my town list. Which pretty much makes him.... neutral...where I put him.

But it's funny you're accusing me of having too many people on my town list, as though it's somehow implied I am suggesting they are confirmed town or something. I of course can't know this. I just think they likely are, and as GGG's request I posted my list which has been consistent for awhile now.

You listed 3 host and 2 turned, according to your argument you must be sure you got this figured out because we have to be completely sure with our posts. Me, Mrkajz44, and Party Elephant. Why not Party Elephant? He has traction, you're sure he's host.

[dissentowner]

The more I am looking into it the more I still see a link between Timbo and HG15. Twice I have pulled off HG but his posts and lists make no sense at all. Timbo and him are always thinking and voting the same too. Something seems rotten there. Have a look yourselves.

[dissentowner]

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[Timbo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The more I am looking into it the more I still see a link between Timbo and HG15. Twice I have pulled off HG but his posts and lists make no sense at all. Timbo and him are always thinking and voting the same too. Something seems rotten there. Have a look yourselves.

Ya it's been pretty obvious. Good work inspector.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

How can you take that out of context? That very clearly shows I don't know what Starseed is and may have made a big mistake in 'saving' him over Devo22 (even if anyone wants to disagree that I saved him, I could have hammered him, so if he is host I still messed up badly.) I don't think Starseed is host. I'm not willing to put him on my town list. Which pretty much makes him.... neutral...where I put him.

But it's funny you're accusing me of having too many people on my town list, as though it's somehow implied I am suggesting they are confirmed town or something. I of course can't know this. I just think they likely are, and as GGG's request I posted my list which has been consistent for awhile now.

You listed 3 host and 2 turned, according to your argument you must be sure you got this figured out because we have to be completely sure with our posts. Me, Mrkajz44, and Party Elephant. Why not Party Elephant? He has traction, you're sure he's host.

Oling having people on your town list is different than your practically giving confirmation.
Like I said earlier Very opinionated, often wrong, but never a doubt.

Why are you trying so hard to get me to move my vote? Like I have said so earlier I am not following you over the abyss.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Ya it's been pretty obvious. Good work inspector.

I did good work on you earlier in the game to show you were scum. Funny how right after that HG totally ignored what I posted about you and stayed on the offensive against me. I am pretty damn certain at this point you are both scum, things have gotten a lot clearer as I have had plenty of time to read through posts today. I think HG's scum list is specifically targeted against the newbies as scum because they might be easier to turn everyone against and myself because I sniffed him out early. Twice I have pulled off him but it always comes back that no matter how much I try to give him the benefit of the doubt he just continues to be scummy. If I get some more time later I will do a long post showing more of the connection between them although it is not hard for any poster to go back and look. We can't screw this lynch up passengers, we need to hit scum. I say we lynch Timbo tonight, if he flips host that gives us a pretty damn good idea who to go after next.

Vote:Timbo

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I'd be up for a mrkajz lynch. I'm not sure how on board you are with your current top scum suspect telling you how to vote though.

After doing some heavy reading today I am not on board with a mrkajz lynch at all. I think he is town and given whom I think is the hosts I am leaning toward you being town too. Feel free to jump on the Timbo train with Oling and I though.

[Oling_Roachinen]

[QUOTE=Timbo;5340017]Oling having people on your town list is different than your practically giving confirmation.
QUOTE]
When was this? Post these confirmations...

Stating an opinion, especially when asked to do so by making the list (as requested by GGG), isn't anywhere close to confirming anything.

[Oling_Roachinen]

My theory is that Timbo is Turned. He believes, like SebC, that Squiggs96 is Host. That does not mean they are right, mazrim's post restrictions may be strong enough so they have to go with Squiggs96 not naming SebC. Squiggs96 could still be town, just that Timbo and SebC thought that Squiggs96 was host.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Just back from the airport. Wow what a change.I'm sticking with mrkajz44.

Here he is to show us that he's here but not voting for Devo22.

Originally Posted by Timbo

How would SebC find out squiggs was a host?

Originally Posted by Timbo

The only thing that makes any sense,is with SebC nothing makes any sense unless you are SebC.

SebC implying his investigation process or whatever he rationalized as one pointed to Squiggs?

My only reasoning as to why he would do that was.
a: point to squigg because squiggs is turned and screwed up and Oling actually did catch him out. And he wanted distance.
b: drive a squiggs lynch on the back of Olings attack on squiggs.

Originally Posted by Timbo

I would think that would be a rule violation as to it hints or implies to the identity of the hosts which is forbidden.

Turned have their own scum thread so SebC would/could only know who was also turned.

A lot of how could SebC know that Squiggs96 is host? Well Squiggs96 didn't want him checked, he wanted me checked instead. SebC obviously picked up on this. He tried to distance himself from Squiggs96 because it made him a target for the check and potentially outing a host if he did get revealed.

If Timbo is Turned, him and SebC had their pow-wow and decided Squiggs96 was host. But he's right, they aren't sure. So they just thought Squiggs96 is host. It's a settle defense early on that he's forced to drop.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Okay now I see the possibility.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Squiggs if you are lynched and flip town Oling will be my #1.
Until then I am willing to listen to other players and anything else you might have to say.

Not a huge fan of saying you'll go after someone if so-and-so turns town in any case. Scum can feed off it. Even if it is pretty obvious I was in a bad spot if Squiggs96 shows town, I don't see the reason to state it...we all knew. But if Squiggs96 shows host, well it doesn't really matter, he wasn't defending Squiggs96 one bit.

Originally Posted by Timbo

I truly believe the key to this whole mystery is mrkajz44
I did not like his jump on Devo
I also did not like bizaro's jump off Devo
It seems plausible to me those two decided to switch in agreement
bizaro had to many townie lynch votes
mrkajz did not have any and needed one to seem like a fail-able townie
mrkajz44 squiggs post is the most polished post he has made yet...why?

Vote mrkajz44

Well not actively. Voting for the vote magnet mrkajz44.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Oh come on! I know it's called quick topic. It has not changed since this game began on CP.
Your calling this out is very very peculiar.

(MULTIPLE SIMILAR POSTS)

Calls out Hockeyguy15 for calling out Squiggs96.

Originally Posted by Timbo

I find it odd. That...
While Party Elephant has had a great leap in post proficiency
Peanut has stayed relatively the same.

One seemed to grow quickly
The other has not and both are in the same environment.

Are one or both odd?

Oh, why not throw out Peanut and Party Elephant for no real reason except they don't post the same.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Squiggs thanks for that post I think you have neglected his last transgression.
Asking the Goverment Agent to reveal.

Now I'm not affiliated with you but if we hold Olings transgressions against yours
Oling does not come out on top IMO.

I wanted to make a post stating this and I wanted to call it the CP Oling transgressions thread.

This is the reason I have not voted for you.

Oh back to me. Weird, no issue all day until I bring up the Government Agent reveal. No real discussion as to why it's bad (the whole point of the conversation I was trying to have...see see the pros and cons) but rather that any reveal is bad.

Originally Posted by Timbo

My scum list right now
mrkajz
Oling
Party Elephant

My suspected turned
HG15
Bizarro

Every one else except Pux I am not sure of.

Probably his least suspicious post. If he's town, it's just a list and I can't blame him. But going with my theory he put 2 suspected turned to give the Government Agent some fuel so hopefully Timbo doesn't get checked. Put me on there so he can try and discredit me, mrkajz44 is an easy target. Party Elephant, I could see, being there in case he does get revealed as scum, Timbo has that to fall back on.

Originally Posted by Timbo

I agree a reveal by the GA gives the hosts an advantage in strategy. The source of the SebC kill is the only advantage we gain.
And if the GA is constantly given the spore and avoids being turned to whom should He/she pass it on to? Pux well that only works once.

As far as I see it it only benifts scum giving them all the information while we only get a smidgen of information.

Here he downplays the pros. I'm not saying it's an obvious decision, but there is far more information to get than who killed SebC.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Okay so at this point we have...
In favour of GA reveal
1. Oling


Not in favour of the GA revealing at this time
1. GGG
2. Timbo
3. Peanut
4. Starseed (also leaves choice open to GA)

Undecided
1.HG15

In during the timeline of conversation but never gave opinion.

1. Puxlut
2. Bizarro
3. Diss
4. Squiggs


I think this is correct

Ultimately everyone knows that the decision was Government Agent's. But Starseed was leaning towards, so it's weird just to put him where he did with a disclaimer.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Ya it's been pretty obvious. Good work inspector.

What's the point of this? I understand antagonizing me if you are town and believe I am scum. You don't care what I think in that case. Fair enough.

But why do that to Dissentowner? Dissentowner isn't on your scum list, he wasn't even on your turned list. If he's thinking something is up, a good townie would try to discuss the situation to help out another person he thinks is town.

I think we've struck a chord here.

[Timbo]

Oling do your fingers stink? I mean with all of the bovine scat you have been typing it must be all stuck up in your finger nails and permeated into your pores.

If you would do us all a favour and shut up, the town would be farther ahead IMO.
Your post count isn't the highest but your word count is. I am fed up with your mistakes, kangaroo court accusations, bullying, and attempts to steer the town to demise.

If I am the only one seeing this I will shut up and let my flip do the talking. Until then you may continue your false accusations, and you will further dig your own grave.

I do have to congratulate you though if you are successful in your campaign against me you will have a 100 percent failure rate.

[Oling_Roachinen]

[QUOTE=Timbo;5340195
I do have to congratulate you though if you are successful in your campaign against me you will have a 100 percent failure rate.[/QUOTE]

But...but I'm host. I think you mean 100 percent success rate, no?

Or do you not believe I am scum now? That would make 2 people you don't think are scum voting for you...and your response is to antagonize us? You don't get to talk about bad townies at this point.

[Timbo]

See about the attempt at bullying now Oling says I can't talk about bad townies.
100 percent failure or success... please continue to insult everyone's intelligence everyone knows what's implied.

I know what you are doing right now. You are preparing a plan to lie and weasel your way out from what you know is an inevitable result of lynching me.

I'm not scared of you.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The more I am looking into it the more I still see a link between Timbo and HG15. Twice I have pulled off HG but his posts and lists make no sense at all. Timbo and him are always thinking and voting the same too. Something seems rotten there. Have a look yourselves.

While I believe Timbo was turned, maybe as recently as last night, I would say that if he is Host and following your thinking, both Hockeyguy15 and Timbo put one another as potential Turned/spore carrier on their lists. If you are right, that would be a way of influencing the Government Agent to check a host. If the GA believes HG15, they might check Timbo, if they believe Timbo, they might check HG15. It also draws some distance between them. If Timbo is host, I might be on board with you here dissentowner.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

See about the attempt at bullying now Oling says I can't talk about bad townies..

You've been telling me to shut up, more importantly you've insulted Dissentowner, someone you don't believe is scum (apparently) that is bad townies. I don't know if you get to play the victim card here.

You made a slip, you know I am town, you are trying to pretend you are town..hence 100% failure rate. If you honestly thought I was scum you would have commended me for killing all the townies.

[GirlySports]

Vote Count

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 4 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn't Voted (1): Hockeyguy15

Party Elephant (3): Puxlut, bizaro86, Peanut
squiggs96 (3): Party Elephant, mrkajz44, starseed
mrkajz44 (2): Timbo, squiggs96
Timbo (2): Oling_Roachinen, dissentowner
Peanut (1): GGG


The deadline is Thursday, June 25th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The more I am looking into it the more I still see a link between Timbo and HG15. Twice I have pulled off HG but his posts and lists make no sense at all. Timbo and him are always thinking and voting the same too. Something seems rotten there. Have a look yourselves.

It's funny because all game you have made general accusations about me without backing it up, and then the one time you finally indulge me and try and build a case against me you suddenly drop it right away.

Please feel free to explain how my posts and lists make no sense at all.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You've been telling me to shut up, more importantly you've insulted Dissentowner, someone you don't believe is scum (apparently) that is bad townies. I don't know if you get to play the victim card here.

You made a slip, you know I am town, you are trying to pretend you are town..hence 100% failure rate. If you honestly thought I was scum you would have commended me for killing all the townies.

Oling Diss is a big boy I'm sure he can fight his own battles. But seeing the results of your play I can't fault you for sucking up to garner support.

Again with your shtick. Make things up where there is no substance.

Poking the bear is fun but sure is exhausting.

The difference between what you have said and what I have said is I am pointing out all your misplays be they purposeful or not. And it is all factual and the results speak for themselves.
You try to make up flimsy arguments buy manipulating quotes and putting in your biased view, not facts but bad analysis.

Rally your minions and lynch me Oling because that's the only way you can stop me from posting and pointing out your scummy or bad play.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

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I think HG's scum list is specifically targeted against the newbies as scum because they might be easier to turn everyone against and myself because I sniffed him out early. Twice I have pulled off him but it always comes back that no matter how much I try to give him the benefit of the doubt he just continues to be scummy.

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Town:
Puxlut
Oling
GGG

Leaning town:
Starseed
Timbo (possibly targeted with spore)

Unsure:
Bizaro (possibly targeted with spore)
Peanut
Squiggs

Possible hosts:
Mrkajz
Diss
PE

You mean this list? You and mrkajz are vets to the game, not newbies.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

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Looking at the first 2 votes my most "suspicious" voters are Lego, mrkajz, peanut, PE, and Diss as I think there is likely 2 hosts in that group. Then looking at vote 3 when things started to get hairy for a few people, I am instantly suspicious of mrkajz and diss because they both voted for me, I think there is at least 1 host out of those 2. Out of PE and Peanut I think there is at least 1 host. Lego Man I am less suspicious of as he voted for mrkajz.

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Or this when I think there is at least 1 host between you and mrkajz (vets), and at least 1 host between Peanut and PE (newbies)?