CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[dissentowner]

I also said I would be willing to move my vote to PE if needed. So if us 3 are your guess for hosts I must be the worst host teammate ever going with your theory.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? I have been on board with the Mrkajz lynch and you think we are both hosts? Umm, ok.

Possibly.

It could have been to put some distance between each other when the heat was on. There were a few instances where it seemed like Mrkajz was trying to direct attention away from you.

[Hockeyguy15]

I'm not sure why you are getting riled up about my list. Those are my feelings, and more than likely I'm not 100% correct.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not sure why you are getting riled up about my list. Those are my feelings, and more than likely I'm not 100% correct.

I am not, I just find it funny that we both have suspicions on two of those guys and you have me lumped in with them.

[Timbo]

I find it odd. That...
While Party Elephant has had a great leap in post proficiency
Peanut has stayed relatively the same.

One seemed to grow quickly
The other has not and both are in the same environment.

Are one or both odd?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling, how can we have the same scum list if I'm turned and your town.

Your pure mirror and trying to out the agent is a little suspicious.

It is suspicious!! The agent being unknown to the hosts has to help the town imo. The only reason my vote is not on Oling right now is because the Seb flip has me confused about the showdown between Oling and Squiggs. I also think we should be concerned about Oling playing the ####### style last game and winning (apparently, I wasn't playing and lord knows I do not have time to read that thread).

Also I'm off to google wtf WIFOM is.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by starseed

Last game Oling won by being an ahole who used long wordy posts to twist the words of the townies. Squiggs is claiming this is the case again. So, without using vague, long/wordy, ranty language, could squiggs summarize his position on the clues against him?

Day 1 - Voted for activeStick's lynch (town)
Day 2 - Announced he had been given the spore and passed it to Girly (town). Was the first vote on her and pushed hard for her lynch. Jumped off late to avoid suspicion.
Day 3 - Voted for ECF's lynch (town)
Day 4 - Pulls his voted off of mrkajz and moves it to me. A giant slew of manipulative word twisting goes on for four hours. Posts a diatribe about me right before mrk's death post. The vote is only 5-3-3 (mrk-starseed-PE) at the time. Conveniently he doesn't post again the rest of the day and misses the deadline where a tie was forced.
Day 5 - Oling leads the vote against devo (town). This deadline he sticks around and ensures another townie is lynched.
Day 6 - He is leading the charge to lynch squiggs96 (town).

If I am lynched, in six days he has had parts in the lynching of five townies. FIVE TOWNIES! Of those five he has been directly responsible for three of them (Girly, devo, squiggs). The only night a townie wasn't lynched, Oling was nowhere to be found.

He has consistently gone and twisted words. Oling has said he wasn't even a little bit confident I was scum, and then put me in his top four scum list. He has crusaded the last two game days against me. He did this in Smash Bros. He's doing it now. I was town in Smash and I'm town now. He's doing the exact same thing he did last game, and it's getting the exact same result: DEAD TOWNIES.

Oling's game isn't based on making mistakes or slip ups. It's based on badgering other players, making it seem like they are scum because they don't think the exact same way he does. He bullies them and tries to get them to doubt themselves. It's worked on several people. It won't work on me.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I truly believe Oling's scum. He needs to be taken down. If I am lynched today, it will be another dead townie. He will try and talk his way out of it on Day 7 and say I was making too many mistakes and he can't be blamed. He will say the Seb thing is way bigger than it ever was. I've made sure I haven't lied once during this game. Not once. This way he can't say I was making needless lies.

Oling started out this game a little calmer than he played the last game, but now that the hosts are getting close in numbers, he's allowed himself to go back into his bashing of others. In Smash he voted for himself and said it was to prove his claims that he was town. He is now saying he knows he is going to be the number one target once I flip vanilla town. He will worry about that one later and try to talk his way out of it. He was able to do it last time, and if there are two turned right now, it's so much easier to do it this time. Don't fall for this. Don't fall for any of his shenanigans.

[Timbo]

WIFOM
Is Wine in front of me which its popularity came from the movie The Princess Bride

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I find it odd. That...
While Party Elephant has had a great leap in post proficiency
Peanut has stayed relatively the same.

One seemed to grow quickly
The other has not and both are in the same environment.

Are one or both odd?

Well, I can't speak for Party, but for myself I still work 9 hours a day, commute, have two kids, a dog, a cat, a husband, friends, and am incubating a child. If it was acceptable to pop in and just post jokes, I'd be around a lot more. But I need to dedicate time to really read stuff and think it through to form opinions about the game before posting. Else you guys tear it apart. And/or small (and imo seemingly innocent) mistakes are magnified to be suspicious.

Anyways, with all that being said, Party is moving up my suspicion list. Choosing between Squiggs and Party as current vote leaders, I'd vote Party. The Devo vote was interesting to say the least. And Squiggs posts read somewhat argumentative/passionate townie to me. Party's read more calculated and strategic. Granted that could just be both of their natural game play style and they would play that style regardless of their alignment.

Ok back to paying attention at swimming lessons. Hopefully will be back later this evening.

[Timbo]

Squiggs thanks for that post I think you have neglected his last transgression.
Asking the Goverment Agent to reveal.

Now I'm not affiliated with you but if we hold Olings transgressions against yours
Oling does not come out on top IMO.

I wanted to make a post stating this and I wanted to call it the CP Oling transgressions thread.

This is the reason I have not voted for you.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Timbo

WIFOM
Is Wine in front of me which its popularity came from the movie The Princess Bride

It seems a travesty I did not know this until now. I can use this often in my life.

[dissentowner]

squiggs, are you willing to move off Oling to PE? I am not sure this is not just two townies at each others throats with you two. I would rather we go after someone most of us have been suspicious of.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Squiggs thanks for that post I think you have neglected his last transgression.
Asking the Goverment Agent to reveal.

I'm still thinking about this one and I feel it deserves its own post. He asked me directly about it as well. I need some more time regarding this, and will post on it after dinner.

[dissentowner]

squiggs, are you willing to move off Oling to PE? I am not sure this is not just two townies at each others throats with you two. I would rather we go after someone most of us have been suspicious of. I am willing to move to PE too.

[Timbo]

My scum list right now
mrkajz
Oling
Party Elephant

My suspected turned
HG15
Bizarro

Every one else except Pux I am not sure of.

I said I was going to take notes this game.... I didn't I do rely alot on what other people bring up and remind me what happened. Maybe if I was Scum, it would be easier.

I am not a ninja. I apologize for devo. I thought I would try something different, and it failed. Right now, I don't trust anyone. Everyone has done something that makes me wary of them. At least with the last game I had a confidante with SS, but this time: nothing. It would be nice to have the GA to come out, but I understand if he/she wants to stay hidden. It may be close to the end of the game and it might help if they disclose, or it might kill the game. I'm going to put faith that they know what they are doing. If they were the one that killed Seb, then they may be on to something and it might be worth it to wait another day.
It is weird how HG has gone kind of silent and Oling has started to lead a charge. A complete flip of earlier in the game. I think right now, Oling isn't as bad as he was last time around. Trust me... because I was on the receiving end last time. There is something different. But maybe he's just turned and doesn't have enough information to drive the votes to the right place. Maybe the Capt couldn't get enough info in 40 words?

It took me 30 minutes to read 2 pages of posts because of a 7 month old puppy and a 5 year old kid going nuts in the back yard with a hose and 6 dug out holes in my lawn....So I understand life getting in the way. Last game I missed almost an hour of a birthday party because I was waiting for deadline because I HAD to be there at Twilight. My husband was pissed.

Anyways... Why would a turned (Seb) vote for a scum (squiggs)?
People are making some good points, but I feel like I'm missing a pattern here.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Day 5 - Oling leads the vote against devo (town). This deadline he sticks around and ensures another townie is lynched.
Day 6 - He is leading the charge to lynch squiggs96 (town).

What about Day 5 - Asked the Government Agent to check SebC.

Remember when you got mad at the town last game for accusing you despite shooting a scum? You were right then.

Well, while I don't have a gun, I did the next best thing I could. Maybe the Government Agent listened to me, maybe the checked despite me.

Yes, you're right I've been involved in town lynches. So has everyone, because we haven't lynched anyone but town. There's no real defense that anyone could muster up for that.

I'm surprised that GGG is accusing me of mirroring his list when my list was really posted before him. There were no changes from yesterday, no surprises. Everyone can go back and read through my posts from day 1, the only person who has changed was mrkajz44 who I know consider town.

Unsurprisingly Peanut jumped on GGG's argument because Peanut is on my list and wants to discredit me, but I'm a little bit surprised with Timbo.

Timbo, WHY is trying to discuss whether the Government Agent to reveal bad?

Again, I'm town:
Night 0 - Me
Night 1 - Girlysports
Night 2 - No one
Night 3 - Maybe SebC
Night 4 - Someone (unrevealed, probably turned)
Night 5 - Someone else (50/50 chance of turned)

That's 3 scum, 1 very likely turned, and 1 50/50 turned. There's a very real possibility that there are 5 scum.

We have 11 people. We lynch one townie, we're down to 11. The turned (if there are 2) will send the spore to Squiggs96 or Mrkajz44 or whoever they think is just a normal passenger. That's game if the spore carrier turns.

For everyone talking about lynch or lose scenarios last game, it's weird so many people are avoiding talking about this scenario(and when I say weird, I mean it's because 5 people don't want this to be a subject).

What good is a Government Agent unrevealed if the game is over?!
What good is a Government Agent unrevealed period at this point?

I'm not asking the Government Agent to reveal. I'm asking for us to discuss the pros and cons of it. I do believe the Government Agent should reveal at this point, I'd like other peoples inputs. Right now it seems like people are saying the Government Agent being unrevealed is good simply because they are used to other mafia games where it's the case. Here the scum can't kill the Government Agent, they have a 1/4 chance at best...and if the person who currently has the spore isn't turned they can send the spore to Puxlut who can send it to anyone but the Government Agent. That's going to force the Host to either kill the turned to get it back or risk having 2 confirmed townies for awhile.

There's a possibility we are in a lynch or lose scenario, there's a possibility that 5 people are working against the town. A lot of the players left I know are smart, why aren't more people discussing this? Even if you think I'm completely wrong, please give me a reason.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And I don't mean that last question to be snarky.

I realize we're thinking the game very similar, even if I don't entirely trust you (and you don't trust me), so if you have some cons then make mention of them please.

The big con is that the agent is known. It allows the host to choose a strategy of avoiding the 1/4 chance or targeting him. Right now they would avoid them but we hit one host and they need to get more defensive and build their turned army. As we close in on end game being able to nightkill turned becomes more probable. And as I posted above the biggest thing we could learn is that the Hosts killed Seb.

So if you look at my earlier post it's the best case of what we could find out so if that's the info we'd get are you still in favour of a reveal.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Pure mirror?

My post yesterday GGG. The same scum list that I had before you posted yours, I said a long time ago I thought Dissentowner was town (his mistake was a mistake that I believe was an accident), I liked your thinking on GirlySports (the reason I unvoted) and while I'm back and fourth on mrkajz44, like I told dissentowner, I don't think his save was scum driven.... It's weird that you're trying to discredit me instead of actually discussing your pros and cons of the Government Agent reveal.

I also posted that I wanted the Genetic Anomaly revealed before Puxlut did and I don't think that was too any harm to the town.

Do you have actual cons as to why the Government Agent shouldn't reveal?

Fair enough, it's the combination of accusing/being fearful of me being turned yet our list is the same. If you believe I'm turned and trying to widen the net then your list outside of Party would be completely wrong.

[Oling_Roachinen]

unvote

This is preemptive incase the mafia does decide to go for the straight up win if Squiggs96 isn't town. I still think he's host, but when we are in a possible lynch or lose scenario and the hammer can be dropped in 2 hours, I don't want the possibility for some to just jump on and hammer him bringing us down to 5-6 and an unknown spore location.

This is not support for Squiggs96 in anyway, but I want to be sure.