Anyone think the way the blood gathering around Jon at the end of the episode seemed to form a wing?
Foreshadowing?
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The fact that Melisandre abandoned Stannis' camp says alot. Why would Melisandre return to the wall? I bet she believes Jon will be reborn as Azor Ahai.
How much V-Steel is left in Valeria? Is there anything in the books on that?
I feel like Jorah seems set up perfectly to get into that city and get as much as he can out of there if there is any to help arm her armies with the knowledge that perhaps by the time she makes her move for the Iron Throne the Whitewalkers will be making theirs too.
I know that Dragon glass can be made by her pets too but V-Steel is about the only thing I've seen that obliterates the command zombies.
There aren't very many blades like that left.. and I wonder about the theory with the Dayne sword as well. John might be able to pull it off, ride up to Starfall and explain to them that the last Knight worthy of wielding the Sword of the Morning died defending him so can I please has sword?
At some point in this show I hope we get to see The Tower of Joy play out. Some of the biggest bad asses in the history of Westeros were present at that fight and it would be sweet to see it. Or at least have Reed or someone explain it in detail when they reveal John's heritage as a Targaryen.
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I was thinking the raw materials, not just the blades mind you, I should have been more clear on that. I would assume the City of Dragons would have materials remaining since the blight/curse/lepercolony has stopped people from gaining entry to the city.
There is a chance that the show will deviate from the books in this sense.. but I can't see him being dead in the books at least.
Martin fought hard to try and leave subtle bread crumbs for John's parents and even admitted in an interview how upset he was when it was plastered across the internet. He never specifically said JOHNS PARENTS but from the way it was stated that really is the only widely known 'secret' he could have been eluding to.. He said that 20 years ago this never would have happened. He talked about re writing the story to prove these people wrong, but then decided against it.
As far as Kit Harrington goes, there is no way he would tip his hand this early. It sure would ruin the suspense and the impact of the finale if he just came out in an interview and said No I am alive, cya next season!!! Can you imagine?
Of course he will deny, he will put on his politician hat and campaign across the globe proclaiming his sadness and regret about having to leave the show. The hand will be forced though once filming starts and pictures of him on set start leaking out. But at least for the summer people will speculate, like this, and that is the entire point of it all.
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He may just be saying that to avoid spoiling it though. He was probably told by D&D to shut his mouth and deny deny deny haha.
And that could very well be true, but nobody actually saw him "die" completely, and yet he confirmed to Entertainment Weekly he will not be returning to the set next season.
I thought he may have said Jon Snow will not be returning to game of thrones next season but he's out of character during the interview. I hope its wrong I'd love to see him back.
Yet when we asked Martin about his A Song of Ice and Fire saga, the author gave a very different answer. “Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?” Martin teased us in an interview in 2011. “My readers should know better than to take anything as gospel.”
And then just a few months ago when we re-asked about the topic, Martin told us: “If there’s one thing we know in A Song of Ice and Fire is that death is not necessarily permanent.”
"Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. 'Ghost,' he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold …"
Melisandre's vision:
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The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half- seen behind a fluttering curtain. Now he was a man, now a wolf, now a man again. But the skulls were here as well, the skulls were all around him.
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Skulls. A thousand skulls, and the ####### boy again. Jon Snow...
Yet now she could not even seem to find her king. I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow.
Maybe Kit Harrington is done, but John Snow will live on in some form. Warging to Ghost, then back to a human form.
I know that many people who just watched the show are new to this argument and seem to think they know all the answers based off of one or two interviews, but this has been an on going debate going back to 2011 for many across the internet (and even further if we are talking strictly about him being the LoL). Do a little digging and you will see the stack of evidence.
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So many have speculated Jon Snow to become the next "Azor Ahai" however Kit Harrington has confirmed he will NOT be returning to the show next season.
So unless they plan to keep that story line completely out of the next season, I think it's safe to say Jon is ... dead for good.
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When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.
Can't see how AA isn't Daenerys.
She followed the red comet.
Smoke and salt, take your pick.
Woke dragons out of stone.
Jon could be the prince who was promised - R+L=J and all that. I had obviously assumed it was Aegon, but be hard to believe that he might be in the book and that he was either different (or ignored) in the series. So I expect Aegon doesn't make it to the end in the books
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But it does seem too obvious with the waking of dragons out of stone. The story has been pushing the prophecy for awhile even though Daenerys literally brought back dragons from stone before we even heard it. So it's a question of why be misleading when you were so obvious?
We know Rhaegar thought he needed a third child and when Melisandre looks into her fires to see Azor Ahai she sees only Snow by the end of the books. Jon has a dream of him wielding a red sword fighting against the others as well.
Melisandre believes that she can wake a dragon through king's blood and had been pressuring Stannis multiple times to make a king's blood sacrifice to do so (first Edric then Val's baby). Targaryens have been called dragons and if you've read the Dunk and Egg stories, waking the dragon has already been used to mean revealing a hidden Targaryen. Shireen, who we can predict might be sacrificed similar to the show, has king's blood and Greyscale, the same disease as the stone men. Sacrificing Shireen to resurrect Jon, i.e. using king's blood to wake a dragon out of stone, would be the closest Melisandre has actually been to getting a prophecy right.
Or maybe Jon comes up with a way of using dragonglass/obsidian (stone) to make Valyrian steel(dragonsteel) now that we know that works against them too or something. I don't know, just seems weird given all the other prophecies and dreams so cryptic to have the big one be so straight forward.
I always thought the dragons out of stone was referring to dragon glass. John would at some point figure out how to either make more or harvest it or whatever as it is the key to defeating the white walkers.
There is a theory out there that the Knight WunWun kills before John is stabbed has a blue comet as his sigil across his breastplate, at the time of his death it is red covered in blood. When they stab John the wounds 'smoke' in the cold and the salt is referring to the Knights Watch who are crying while they do it. I feel that one is a bit of a reach, but very cheeky of Martin to put a comet as Ser Patrick's coat of arms.
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