A Song of Ice and Fire **Spoilers** Now more TV talk!

[GreenLantern]

One of the story lines that still doesn't quite match up is Arya. In the books they take Ayra's sight so she gets better at detecting lies of others and then she is given the job of killing the ship insurance guy. I wonder why they decided to switch this order around, or if she will go back after and kill the ship guy still after regaining her sight.

And in the chapters released from Winds of Winter we know that Arya is starting to have "wolf dreams" and some have a tree in them. This might be how they are going to link her to Bran and get her back over the narrow sea? But that is confusing because the whole point of these exercises is to forget who she is..

And also Kevan Lannister and Pycelle still need to get killed at some point, but if Varys is over the narrow sea who will do the killing? Those are necessary deaths for Cersei to regain her control and to start the whole Lannister vs. Tyrell under mining that throws Kings Landing all out of whack. But I guess all of that was just to make room for Aegon to come over which obviously isn't happening in the show.. or at least hasn't happened yet.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

One of the story lines that still doesn't quite match up is Arya. In the books they take Ayra's sight so she gets better at detecting lies of others and then she is given the job of killing the ship insurance guy. I wonder why they decided to switch this order around, or if she will go back after and kill the ship guy still after regaining her sight.

And in the chapters released from Winds of Winter we know that Arya is starting to have "wolf dreams" and some have a tree in them. This might be how they are going to link her to Bran and get her back over the narrow sea? But that is confusing because the whole point of these exercises is to forget who she is..

And also Kevan Lannister and Pycelle still need to get killed at some point, but if Varys is over the narrow sea who will do the killing? Those are necessary deaths for Cersei to regain her control and to start the whole Lannister vs. Tyrell under mining that throws Kings Landing all out of whack. But I guess all of that was just to make room for Aegon to come over which obviously isn't happening in the show.. or at least hasn't happened yet.

They teased Pycelle's fate in the final scene with Cercei walking into the red keep.

Kyburn wraps her up, and she almost glares at Pycelle. Pycelle has been on the chopping block for several seasons now, so that is not surprising to me.

Kyburn in a past episode mentioned Kevan Lannister as well, specifically that he had chosen not to visit Cercei, which also probably puts him square in the "This guy is going to die" crosshairs of Cercei.

Interesting about Arya. I almost wish I hadn't read that, but oh well, no big deal at this point.

I thought Aegon was Daenary's Father, and was killed? Are you referring to a different Aegon, and if so, where he is coming over from?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's such a relief to be able to participate in these discussions now.

I like predicting things.

So, the Jamie and Dorn thing is a pretty big difference from the books.

What is the context for Jamie taking over Riverrun? Is it part of a deal Edmure makes to stay alive? Is it spoils from the Red Wedding for the lannisters?

Part of a larger deal between house Frey, Bolton and Lannister, similar to the deal Roose Bolton secured for himself with Winterfell?

The Freys held Edmure after his wedding. Most of the River lords capitulated but the Blackfish (Bryndon) had control of Riverrun and held it fast. The Freys had been threatening to hang Edmure unless the gates were lowered, but Bryndon wasn't falling for that, and the siege had dragged on

Then Jaime was sent from Kings landing (by Cercei) to try to end the siege. Jaime ended up releasing Edmure to go into Riverrun (since Edmure was legally the Lord of Riverrun) and turn the castle over to them. Which he does*, although not before delaying to give the Blackfish enough time to escape from Riverrun.


*Edmure was married to a Frey, and got her pregnant on the wedding night. He was told if he didn't turn over the castle that the newborn babe would be catapulted into the castle as soon as it was born. That got the desired affect.

[GreenLantern]

Varys traded a jug of booze to a tanner for his newborn son then switched him out with Aegon Targaryen, who was sent for safety across the narrow sea. The infant that the Mountain killed (one of the kids Oberyn was so mad about) was an imposter. The baby was so ravaged though it was hard to really figure out what it looked like and Tywin claimed it was Aegon so nobody doubted him.

He had an exiled Lord, Jon Connington, watch over Aegon and protect him. He is the rightful heir to the throne from the Targaryen line, more so than Danny being a boy and the eldest boy at that.

However, the show hasn't even mentioned him for whatever reason, we don't know what part he plays in the grand story as it hasn't really gotten that far yet in the books. He has landed in Westeros with the army Jon Connington has raised for him and that is about it. I think he plans to siege Storms End right now.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They teased Pycelle's fate in the final scene with Cercei walking into the red keep.

Kyburn wraps her up, and she almost glares at Pycelle. Pycelle has been on the chopping block for several seasons now, so that is not surprising to me.

Kyburn in a past episode mentioned Kevan Lannister as well, specifically that he had chosen not to visit Cercei, which also probably puts him square in the "This guy is going to die" crosshairs of Cercei.

Interesting about Arya. I almost wish I hadn't read that, but oh well, no big deal at this point.

I thought Aegon was Daenary's Father, and was killed? Are you referring to a different Aegon, and if so, where he is coming over from?

You might not want this either lol...

Spoiler!

Aegon Targaryen, son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martel

[Yeah_Baby]

Also the Mad King (Daney, Viserys and Rheagar's dad) was Areys II not Aegon.

[Finger Cookin]

Too many Aegons.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Too many Aegons.

Six to be precise!!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

J

The prophesy:
"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone."
.

Amidst salt and smoke, is he a ham?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Amidst salt and smoke, is he a ham?

Tyrion does ride a pig in the books!

Ha! You're in my thread now. I just spoiled you!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Amidst salt and smoke, is he a ham?

The most delicious saviour since Jesus.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Amidst salt and smoke, is he a ham?

Let's say he is. What goes with ham? Eggs. What's Egg a nickname for? Aegon. Thus, Aegon is the Prince that was Promised.

[Bobblehead]

Wait - what character death spoilers are here that aren't in the other thread?

Nothing of any importance, I don't believe is there?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Wait - what character death spoilers are here that aren't in the other thread?

Nothing of any importance, I don't believe is there?

Pycelle and Kevan Lannister, I imagine.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Pycelle and Kevan Lannister, I imagine.

OK, I felt bad that maybe there was something important that I missed. Pycelle - maybe. But Kevan Lannister - I doubt most TV viewers would recognize him when he comes on the screen.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

OK, I felt bad that maybe there was something important that I missed. Pycelle - maybe. But Kevan Lannister - I doubt most TV viewers would recognize him when he comes on the screen.

Pycelle - not so much either though. I think you could have seen that coming for a long time now. No way he was long for that world.

[Yeah_Baby]

Plus I don't think the way Kevin died in the book will occur in the show.

[Oling_Roachinen]

How they go, which as suggested likely wont be the case in the show anyways, is probably the most important detail. Varys getting his hands dirty, especially to cause chaos for Aegon, was a huge plot point.

But I think there's still reason for the TV viewers to suspect that Pycelle has something up his sleeve, it's not like Walder Frey was a spry young man when he destroyed the north. He might not end up on the Iron Throne, but he's now the only small council member from Season 1 left on it (Or I don't know if Baelish still is on it), so I wouldn't consider it a minor death at all. Still entirely their responsibility if they want to venture into this thread though.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Plus I don't think the way Kevin died in the book will occur in the show.

Yes but,
Good men in service to bad causes -
was such a great line. Hard not to keep it.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Yes but,

Good men in service to bad causes -

was such a great line. Hard not to keep it.

Indeed. I love that scene. It's too bad it probably won't be that way in the show.

Speaking of which I'm still key down about Dorne. What a waste of Dr. Basher.