Manners/Social Conventions You Don't Follow

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Haha, not sure what that's supposed to mean/where it came from.

he must know you are a germ covered, fecal ensconced filthy #######.....

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

he must know you are a germ covered, fecal ensconced filthy #######.....

Aren't we all, though?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Aren't we all, though?

Not during the 10 secs it takes me to shiver the 15 metres to the pool

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

As a professional pool tech, I have to say this isn't really so much a manners/social convention thing but an actual health issue. You're taking all the germs and trace-fecal matter you've accumulated throughout the day and depositing it into a wonderfully receptive environment for bacteria and germs to reproduce, with plenty of ready hosts for the disease to spread.

You should really start showering before you get in the pool.

Does anybody believe a quick rinse under the shower is ridding you of any of that? The trace feedback matter will be largely on the bathing suit region and on your hands. Any pathogenic bacteria will be colonized on the skin and not able to be rinsed of or will be on your hands. What are you going to catch from a pool that would be rinsed off in a shower?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What about the oil from your shoes, or the poop, or pee or god only knows what is on the bottom of your shoes.

All the dog owners out there - just imagine what's on the bottom of your dog's paws. The horror!

Then there's... hands. How many debit machines, filthy C-Train poles, door handles touched by hundreds of people a day have your guests touched before walking through your door? And now they're touching your doorknobs, faucets, fridge door, toilet handles...

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

All the dog owners out there - just imagine what's on the bottom of your dog's paws. The horror!

Then there's... hands. How many debit machines, filthy C-Train poles, door handles touched by hundreds of people a day have your guests touched before walking through your door? And now they're touching your doorknobs, faucets, fridge door, toilet handles...

A. A lot of people don't like dogs because they are dirty.

B. The first thing my family does when we come home is wash our hands with soap. Don't you?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Does anybody believe a quick rinse under the shower is ridding you of any of that? The trace feedback matter will be largely on the bathing suit region and on your hands. Any pathogenic bacteria will be colonized on the skin and not able to be rinsed of or will be on your hands. What are you going to catch from a pool that would be rinsed off in a shower?

I thought it was about real dirt not bacteria. They want to reduce load on filtration. The chlorine in a pool takes care of the rest.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GGG

I thought it was about real dirt not bacteria. They want to reduce load on filtration. The chlorine in a pool takes care of the rest.

That makes sense to me and why I thought it was necessary. Sand, dirt, and food can easily be rinsed off

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Sliver

A. A lot of people don't like dogs because they are dirty.

B. The first thing my family does when we come home is wash our hands with soap. Don't you?

A. Most people who own dogs are perfectly OK with their dog tracking minute residue of dirt, feces, etc. into their house, but freak out over how filthy their house would get if guests kept shoes on. For some reason, they think dry shoes carry more dirt than a dog's paws.

B. Do you tell guests to wash their hands immediately on entering your home?

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Does anybody believe a quick rinse under the shower is ridding you of any of that? The trace feedback matter will be largely on the bathing suit region and on your hands. Any pathogenic bacteria will be colonized on the skin and not able to be rinsed of or will be on your hands. What are you going to catch from a pool that would be rinsed off in a shower?

I'm going to have to admit to a certain amount of ignorance here. I have been servicing pools for 15 years, and managing the pools for a school district for almost a decade. I additionally have a small consulting business on the side dealing with the construction/maintenance side of commercial operations. My original post was a rote response from the CPO (Certified Pool Operator) training, but I had honestly never considered any of the policies beyond the surface level. Your response made entirely too much sense for me to not look into it further.

After doing some research and consulting a doctor friend you're entirely right. The trace amounts that a quick rinse before swimming will remove are basically inconsequential. I suppose one could make a case for "if everyone does their part", but really it's a non-issue. I even went as far as to talk to our local health inspector, and his response was that the policies originated from a time when personal hygiene was much lower and were never changed.

There are some issues on the operator side dealing with chloramines that could be lessened by a pre-swim rinse, but again these are minimal.

In short (sort-of) I apologize to OotC. Keep doing what you do.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I'm going to have to admit to a certain amount of ignorance here. I have been servicing pools for 15 years, and managing the pools for a school district for almost a decade. I additionally have a small consulting business on the side dealing with the construction/maintenance side of commercial operations. My original post was a rote response from the CPO (Certified Pool Operator) training, but I had honestly never considered any of the policies beyond the surface level. Your response made entirely too much sense for me to not look into it further.

After doing some research and consulting a doctor friend you're entirely right. The trace amounts that a quick rinse before swimming will remove are basically inconsequential. I suppose one could make a case for "if everyone does their part", but really it's a non-issue. I even went as far as to talk to our local health inspector, and his response was that the policies originated from a time when personal hygiene was much lower and were never changed.

There are some issues on the operator side dealing with chloramines that could be lessened by a pre-swim rinse, but again these are minimal.

In short (sort-of) I apologize to OotC. Keep doing what you do.

Bit of a smarty pants post on my part too I suppose

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Bit of a smarty pants post on my part too I suppose

Ha! A bit, but it was mostly common-sense, and I'm kind of embarrassed it had never really occurred to me before. I guess that's how you get better at your job though.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

Ha! A bit, but it was mostly common-sense, and I'm kind of embarrassed it had never really occurred to me before. I guess that's how you get better at your job though.

To be honest, we're all far too scared of bacteria. We hear about how much bacteria is on something and freak out when it's not a question of how many, but what kind. For example, a kitchen cutting board may not have much bacteria on it, but that would be much scarier t to me than the billions of cells you could find on the outside of your water bottle. Most people don't realize we have pounds of bacteria living in and on us. Almost all of them are totally irrelevant, a few helpful and even fewer harmful. Normal amounts of hygiene suffice.

[pgsieve]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I don't shower before I go into the swimming pool.

I didn't ever think this has to do with health.. But I did hear that the reason your eyes sting if you swim with them open under water isn't the chlorine but rather the side affect of people not showering and their deoderant, hair products, and body sprays being released into the pool. I was under the impression that showering before helped to reduce the amount of this stuff into the pool.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I'm going to have to admit to a certain amount of ignorance here. I have been servicing pools for 15 years, and managing the pools for a school district for almost a decade. I additionally have a small consulting business on the side dealing with the construction/maintenance side of commercial operations. My original post was a rote response from the CPO (Certified Pool Operator) training, but I had honestly never considered any of the policies beyond the surface level. Your response made entirely too much sense for me to not look into it further.

After doing some research and consulting a doctor friend you're entirely right. The trace amounts that a quick rinse before swimming will remove are basically inconsequential. I suppose one could make a case for "if everyone does their part", but really it's a non-issue. I even went as far as to talk to our local health inspector, and his response was that the policies originated from a time when personal hygiene was much lower and were never changed.

There are some issues on the operator side dealing with chloramines that could be lessened by a pre-swim rinse, but again these are minimal.

In short (sort-of) I apologize to OotC. Keep doing what you do.

A victory for not following social conventions!

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by pgsieve

I didn't ever think this has to do with health.. But I did hear that the reason your eyes sting if you swim with them open under water isn't the chlorine but rather the side affect of people not showering and their deoderant, hair products, and body sprays being released into the pool. I was under the impression that showering before helped to reduce the amount of this stuff into the pool.

The eye burning sensation is most commonly caused by chloramine build up. Chloramines are the result of the chlorine used to sanitize the pool bonding with ammonia-nitrogen. The usual sources are sweat and urine, not deodorant or hair products. Like I said before, this could be reduced somewhat by a pre-swim rinse, but it's going to be a minimal amount.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Not to resurrect something from 6 pages back, but whenever someone doesn't want to toast a drink, I immediately assume they are Jehovah's Witnesses. It's one of the many specific things they also won't do.

i had this happen the other night. We went out for dinner with 3 other couples. Somebody made a toast and one couple didn't raise their glasses, hell they hardly made eye contact with the rest of us. It was a weird moment. My wife later explained they were JW. I had no idea that was something they didn't participate in.

[normtwofinger]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

i had this happen the other night. We went out for dinner with 3 other couples. Somebody made a toast and one couple didn't raise their glasses, hell they hardly made eye contact with the rest of us. It was a weird moment. My wife later explained they were JW. I had no idea that was something they didn't participate in.

They don't do it because of toasting and clinking's origins.

[btimbit]

I drive a large truck and always make a point of parking between the lines.

Not sure if this is going against social norms, since I've been in red deer the last few days, but Jesus christ, why do they even bother paving and painting parking lots here

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by jeffporfirio

It was also me.
Not a JW.
I believe they also don't drink any alcohol or coffee, or celebrate birthdays, which would mean they also don't sing Happy Birthday.

They don't stand for anthems, either. But usually they'll leave a room so as to not create a scene.