CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GGG

And you vote for the front runner of the 3 again.

Sorry they are tied at this point

[devo22]

I have no idea what you are accusing me of. If I don't vote, I'm sitting on the sidelines. If I do vote, that's not right either?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by devo22

I have no idea what you are accusing me of. If I don't vote, I'm sitting on the sidelines. If I do vote, that's not right either?

You wait until you see consensous form then vote for the leader. An you did it hear to as oling had switched over prior to your mrkajz vote.

[devo22]

Wrong, I voted before Oling switched. It was 4-4 between mrkajz and starseed when I voted.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by devo22

Wrong, I voted before Oling switched. It was 4-4 between mrkajz and starseed when I voted.

Okay your right, I'll also go back to your previous games and see if this is a time difference thing, a play style or scummy. In my reread though it really jumped out.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Girly, you missed devo22's vote for mrkajz.

Yeah girly, get your head out of your ass!! (just kidding, in case that wasn't obvious.)

[devo22]

Since Girly missed my vote, here is the correct vote count right now:

With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 5 votes to deadline lynch.

Vote Count

Hasn't Voted (1): SebC

mrkajz44 (6): squiggs96, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, dissentowner, devo22, Oling_Roachinen
Starseed (3): Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant
Party Elephant (3): bizaro86 , Starseed, GGG
devo22 (1) : Puxlut


The deadline is Friday, June 12th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[GGG]

For the spore I think town should send it to SebC if we get it. It preserves pux as confirmed down and if turned the agent takes care of him and we don't lose a contributing town member.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Isn't it weird when the sub happened, Maz didn't say: due to personal time restraints... Blah,blah... It was just so abrupt. In the past he's always given a reason.

It wasn't meant to be some hidden reasoning. It's almost always due to the person being unable to keep up with the game. Lego Man was too busy with work to keep going.

[devo22]

Loking at the vote count, it's interesting that my personal top 3 scum suspects are all voting for starseed ... who is #4 on my list. Doesn't have to mean anything, of course.

Originally Posted by GGG

For the spore I think town should send it to SebC if we get it. It preserves pux as confirmed down and if turned the agent takes care of him and we don't lose a contributing town member.

Agreed.

[mrkajz44]

With the exception of Starseed, I see that everyone who moved off HG and onto me on Day 3 are voting for me again here today. I still stand by my reasoning that HG is host and the move to me was to save him, so I bet they are quite pleased with another townie being lynched instead of me, giving them essentially a free day of voting.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

For the spore I think town should send it to SebC if we get it. It preserves pux as confirmed down and if turned the agent takes care of him and we don't lose a contributing town member.

The Agent can't do anything tonight though. If the person who received the spore is not turned right now, they won't find out about the spore until Night 4. They will then send it to someone (it could go to Seb). The Agent can only find out if the person is turned before the spore is received. If they are investigating Seb (or whoever gets it tonight) on night 4 it's a waste of an investigation. They'd have to investigate Seb on Night 5 to see if he was turned. The Agent should be investigating someone else tonight to see if they are currently turned from receiving it on Night 3.

I would investigate Oling tonight if I was the Agent. I brought it up to open Day 4, and I still feel that way. If I was the host, I'd have sent the spore to Oling, so if I'm the Agent, that's who I'd look into.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I bet they are quite pleased with another townie being lynched instead of me, giving them essentially a free day of voting.

Are you saying you are not a townie?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Are you saying you are not a townie?

No, I am saying HG is host. They moved the vote off host to me, a townie. Then when the town got confused at the deadline, votes moved off me to another townie. The scum are pleased with this as it implicates me, but a townie still died.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

No, I am saying HG is host. They moved the vote off host to me, a townie. Then when the town got confused at the deadline, votes moved off me to another townie. The scum are pleased with this as it implicates me, but a townie still died.

Okay I addressed this earlier. "They moved the vote off host"(which you say is HG) There was only one vote moved off HG that was Party Elephant. (He voted for ECF)
"When town got confused at the deadline it moved off me to another townie"
Okay "the town" as you call it was 1 player Devo22 who moved off you to ECF.

So if what you are saying is true and you believe PE is scum why did you not vote for him?
And again are you then saying Devo22 is confirmed town?

Your defence reads like there was a mass movement off HG (not true it was 1 player)
And then you use the word town to imply a group that was confused moved off you to ECF (not true it was 1 player)

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I would investigate Oling tonight if I was the Agent. I brought it up to open Day 4, and I still feel that way. If I was the host, I'd have sent the spore to Oling, so if I'm the Agent, that's who I'd look into.

Trying to dictate where the Government Agent investigates is scummy in its own right. Unless you really feel that the person is turned or we really need to investigate someone, you should allow the Government Agent to investigate who they feel fit. The argument that they tried to turn me before, so they probably sent me the spore again, seems too obvious to me but I guess I'll find out tonight if I have the spore.

As I am not turned, and I don't know if someone was, I would prefer that the Government Agent investigates elsewhere but I'm cognizant of the fact that looks shady in its own right.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Trying to dictate where the Government Agent investigates is scummy in its own right. Unless you really feel that the person is turned or we really need to investigate someone, you should allow the Government Agent to investigate who they feel fit. The argument that they tried to turn me before, so they probably sent me the spore again, seems too obvious to me but I guess I'll find out tonight if I have the spore.

As I am not turned, and I don't know if someone was, I would prefer that the Government Agent investigates elsewhere but I'm cognizant of the fact that looks shady in its own right.

How is this scummy? I'm not trying to out the Agent. Having a discussion on who the Agent investigates benefits the town. We can all make suggestions and give our reasons. Why would you want the Agent to act on his/her own without the benefit of added analysis? The Agent still has the final call on as to who is investigated. They shouldn't say anything until later in the game, but I don't understand why you wouldn't want to talk about it. The only way I can see you not wanting to have the discussion is if you are currently turned. If this is the case your win condition has likely changed and of course you wouldn't want to be investigated. Your opposition to wanting to be investigated, and you wanting the discussion about the Agent stopped makes me want you investigated that much more. I've read many discussions in other games on who the cop should look into. This is a similar situation.

On Day 2 you said you received the spore on Night 0 and sent it to Girly on Night 1. When Pux revealed she was the Anomaly it was decided that she should get the spore should someone receive it and not be turned. So why is it okay to say who you sent it to, but it is not okay to say who should be investigated? Girly was open to having a discussion on who she should send the spore to and was lynched in part because of it. You were all for hanging her out to dry, but now want all talk about the spore and the Agent quashed. I find that harmful to the town.

Besides you being turned, I can't think of one good reason not to discuss who the Agent should target. I'm open to hearing reasons to the contrary though.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

The Agent can't do anything tonight though. If the person who received the spore is not turned right now, they won't find out about the spore until Night 4. They will then send it to someone (it could go to Seb). The Agent can only find out if the person is turned before the spore is received. If they are investigating Seb (or whoever gets it tonight) on night 4 it's a waste of an investigation. They'd have to investigate Seb on Night 5 to see if he was turned. The Agent should be investigating someone else tonight to see if they are currently turned from receiving it on Night 3.

I would investigate Oling tonight if I was the Agent. I brought it up to open Day 4, and I still feel that way. If I was the host, I'd have sent the spore to Oling, so if I'm the Agent, that's who I'd look into.

That's what I meant, person sends spore night 4, agent takes care of him night 5. I think Seb and oling were the likely 2 targets as eliminating known townies is important for scum.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

That's what I meant, person sends spore night 4, agent takes care of him night 5. I think Seb and oling were the likely 2 targets as eliminating known townies is important for scum.

I would also be up for investigating Seb tonight. Either one of these two is highly likely to have it right now. Whether they are turned or not is 50/50.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

How is this scummy? I'm not trying to out the Agent. Having a discussion on who the Agent investigates benefits the town. We can all make suggestions and give our reasons. Why would you want the Agent to act on his/her own without the benefit of added analysis? The Agent still has the final call on as to who is investigated. They shouldn't say anything until later in the game, but I don't understand why you wouldn't want to talk about it. The only way I can see you not wanting to have the discussion is if you are currently turned. If this is the case your win condition has likely changed and of course you wouldn't want to be investigated. Your opposition to wanting to be investigated, and you wanting the discussion about the Agent stopped makes me want you investigated that much more. I've read many discussions in other games on who the cop should look into. This is a similar situation.

On Day 2 you said you received the spore on Night 0 and sent it to Girly on Night 1. When Pux revealed she was the Anomaly it was decided that she should get the spore should someone receive it and not be turned. So why is it okay to say who you sent it to, but it is not okay to say who should be investigated? Girly was open to having a discussion on who she should send the spore to and was lynched in part because of it. You were all for hanging her out to dry, but now want all talk about the spore and the Agent quashed. I find that harmful to the town.

Besides you being turned, I can't think of one good reason not to discuss who the Agent should target. I'm open to hearing reasons to the contrary though.

I'm not turned, there is a possibility there exists someone that is. I don't want to be investigated because if I get investigated, that turned person is staying alive. Of course every passenger should feel this way right now.

There's exactly 3 people in this game that want to be investigated. Turned don't want to be, for obvious reasons, and passengers shouldn't because it means the the Government Agent potentially loses the chance of killing a turned.

Imagine the host or turned talking "Hey the town thinks the Government Agent should investigate XXX, who should we send the spore too next?" Well obviously it's not going to be XXX.

And without the Government Agent revealing himself/herself we wouldn't even know who got checked unless they turn up dead, so a discussion doesn't really matter.

And it's funny that your brought up focusing on the spore would be a good scum play, and now you are trying to focus on the spore today...