Friedman: Flames a good fit for Kessel?

[firebird]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

The only "fit" I see is that he is a RW.

Will he fit in the plans 3 years from now? No.

For some reason I read this as 'will he fit in the plane' 3 years from now, not sure why...

[Vulcan]

From what I've read Kessel' poor conditioning is over stated. Yeah he ain't cut but that doesn't mean he can't do the job.

Kessel was top 3 in fitness testing at training camp

Having said that I don't think Treliving would trade for him. He seems like a cautious type not going for the home run like our last two GMs. If his contract could be fit in, I'd probably offer our 2015 1st and a secondary prospect.

[Mattman]

Kessel is brilliant at being a lazy player. Sure Hartley and co. might whip him into shape but why take that risk of him briging down the team morale and commitment. Great skills and defintaely has a scoring touch but puts barely any effort into team play.
Keeping that in mind...

Kessel
4th Overall

for

Hudler
+++

And then flip retain 50% on Kessels contract and you could probably get more than what you give up to get him in the first place.

But those trades better happen seconds apart because I DO NOT want to see Kessel in a Flames jersey ever. Not even those gross NHL.com photoshops

[skudr248]

Leafs: Kessel (75% retained) + Connor Brown
Flames: Poirior + 1st 2016 + 3rd 2016 + David Jones

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Leafs: Kessel (75% retained) + Connor Brown
Flames: Poirior + 1st 2016 + 3rd 2016 + David Jones

I guess thats one way to sweeten the deal

[Da_Chief]

Some of the proposals here are ludicrous. No 1sts but I'd be willing to move Klimchuk + Poirier + Granlund for Kessel and whatever they retain.

The guy is talented. He had a lot of injury trouble early in his career including a bout with cancer. Toronto has been a hell hole last couple of years. Even in his awful last year he had 61 points in 82 games.

He shows up in the playoff, 22 career playoff games 21 points. Over the last 5 years he hasn't missed a game and put up 339 points in 376 games. That's 0.9 points per game. He's averaged close to 20 minutes a games over that span.

He would be lethal playing with Gaudreau and Monahan. I hope BT makes a play for him.

Hudler needs to be moved out. Hopefully we can find a team looking for offence for defence. Hudler went invisible in the playoffs, don't need that.

Move Hudler for a potential top 4 dman
+
Move futures like I proposed for Kessel
=
Win

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Leafs: Kessel (75% retained) + Connor Brown
Flames: Poirior + 1st 2016 + 3rd 2016 + David Jones

I believe (but not positive) that you can't retain more than 50% of a players salary.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I believe (but not positive) that you can't retain more than 50% of a players salary.

And even if you could, why would Toronto do it?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Some of the proposals here are ludicrous. No 1sts but I'd be willing to move Klimchuk + Poirier + Granlund for Kessel and whatever they retain.

That's potentially a good chunk of the Flames' future for a player whose cap hit could screw the team over royally in the near future. I think we forget this is year 2 of a rebuild. Trading away multiple picks or prospects for proven players with huge contracts is something you do a few years from now, not today.

Hudler needs to be moved out. Hopefully we can find a team looking for offence for defence. Hudler went invisible in the playoffs, don't need that.

Why does he need to be moved out? Played a huge part this past season and was an integral piece of the 1st line. He sure looked hurt to me at the end of the season and into the playoffs. I would be in no hurry to ship him out.

[Da_Chief]

^ We looked small and dominated against the Ducks. You can't have 2 miniature players on the 1st line. We need to get better and bigger. Not to mention he's going into a contract year; You can't be paying Hudler more then 6 mill. Maximize him now.

[savemedrzaius]

Kessel (99.999% salary retained) + plus 5 1st round draft picks for Mason Ramond + that Sven guy who you guys always talk about who plays for Vancouver now + one signed roster photo by the 2015-2016 Stanley Cup winning Calgary Flames

[Jason14h]

I think Kessel is an amazing buy low candidate, and would actually fit is perfectly with the players we have in the top 6.

The question is can you get him without giving up too much?

Backlund, 2015 1st, Klimchuk and ...

Kessel 1.5 retained and Kadri ??

I have no idea what Toronto expects.....

[skudr248]

Oh damn I meant to write 25% retained. whoops, anyway...

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Some of the proposals here are ludicrous. No 1sts but I'd be willing to move Klimchuk + Poirier + Granlund for Kessel and whatever they retain.

The guy is talented. He had a lot of injury trouble early in his career including a bout with cancer. Toronto has been a hell hole last couple of years. Even in his awful last year he had 61 points in 82 games.

He shows up in the playoff, 22 career playoff games 21 points. Over the last 5 years he hasn't missed a game and put up 339 points in 376 games. That's 0.9 points per game. He's averaged close to 20 minutes a games over that span.

He would be lethal playing with Gaudreau and Monahan. I hope BT makes a play for him.

Hudler needs to be moved out. Hopefully we can find a team looking for offence for defence. Hudler went invisible in the playoffs, don't need that.

Move Hudler for a potential top 4 dman
+
Move futures like I proposed for Kessel
=
Win

I thought Hudler was playing injured, he is a big reason Monahan and Gaudreau played as well as they did. Why not just move Hudler, or Kessel to the second line, or whichever works better?

[savemedrzaius]

Kessel has been one of the top point getters in the League for quite a few years and for some reason his salary should be around 6 million a year? You're all nuts.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by codynw

And even if you could, why would Toronto do it?

I wasn't actually giving my insight on that proposal as I honestly thought it was meant to be a stretch.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Why is it not unlikely? Removing attitude and injuries, there's still the fact that Heatley played with Alfredsson and Spezza and Thornton and Marleau while Kessel had had Bozak and whoever else they decide gets to ride his coattails.

You're right that he could regress, but that holds true for every player...

People say he could end up like Heatley because he was an elite scoring winger with fitness/conditioning issues and his play fell off a cliff after he turned 30. I could see Kessel's career going in a similar direction if his conditioning doesn't improve.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by codynw

People say he could end up like Heatley because he was an elite scoring winger with fitness/conditioning issues and his play fell off a cliff after he turned 30. I could see Kessel's career going in a similar direction if his conditioning doesn't improve.

The Flames have the best conditioning in the league, so that might help to fix Kessel.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Kessel has been one of the top point getters in the League for quite a few years and for some reason his salary should be around 6 million a year? You're all nuts.

Well year 1 of his big contract he scores 61pts. While he has been ppg the 3 seasons previous he has yet to top 40 goals and hasn't lead his team anywhere significant. He is a great offensive player but when paying a guy $8M that player better be a complete 200ft player which Kessel is not.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

^ We looked small and dominated against the Ducks. You can't have 2 miniature players on the 1st line. We need to get better and bigger. Not to mention he's going into a contract year; You can't be paying Hudler more then 6 mill. Maximize him now.

I agree they need to get bigger to match up against the top teams. But moving Hudler out to bring in Kessel isn't going to do anything to help that.

I just don't see Kessel as the answer to anything for the Flames right now. They don't have problems scoring. This a year 2 rebuild team, bringing in a massive cap hit for many more years is going against everything that a rebuilding team should be doing.

Build through the draft, make some smart trades and then a few years down the road if they are a legitimate contender that's the time you sell off some of your future to bring in a player like Kessel. Not now.