CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I am not willing to put my vote on either HG or diss at this time.

I feel the same. I think they are both town and we are heading down a bad path.

[bizaro86]

Hasn't Voted (4): SebC, Timbo, Oling_Roachinen, bizaro86

Voted:
dissentowner (1): Hockeyguy15,
Hockeyguy15 (4): Party Elephant, mrkajz44, dissentowner, Puxlut
Timbo (1): Peanut
mrkajz44 (2): East Coast Flame, devo22
Lego Man (1): squiggs96
Party Elephant (1): Lego Man
East Coast Flame (1): GGG

I wanted to see how the vote was going, since it looks like HockeyGuy is now the leading choice, expecially given puxlut voted for him.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

How do you think the Host would react to the GirlySports lynch - assuming you trust I gave her the spore?

Would they jump on quick like East Coast Flame, happy to get rid of a passenger without really getting the blame for the blood on their hands?

Or would they hesitate, maybe even try to shift the focus elsewhere, in the hopes of keeping the spore in place and not getting their hands dirty lynching a passenger?

I think they would divide and conquer go for an early vote on her to get the ball rolling, before a lot of the discussion happened because they would know she wasn't turned. Then you would have a person or 2 hold off and not vote for her when there was enough momentum towards her lynch.

I don't think you would want the spore in her hands because the town was going to vote on who to send it to, then there would be a risk that we send it to a host and the spotlight is on that person right away.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

I highly suggest we lay off GirlySports, and investigate Oiling overnight. If Oling is town, I also buy GirlySports defence too.

Let's learn something new about someone else. My vote currently is for timbo, but I'm also weary of EastCoastFlame.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Woah. No way. That's some terrible logic. Which doesn't gel with your other well thought out posts lately.

Me being town doesn't help GirlySports defense at all. It would mean I did send her the spore, as I did, and even if she was town there's now an ~50% chance of her being turned but also the possibility of her being Host. This almost feels like a newb scum trying to somehow use my town as support of a turned/scum...

Not lynching and not investigating GirlySports would leave us completely clueless if she can be trusted tomorrow about where the spore went.

Originally Posted by Lego Man

From my perspective - I'm very confident that Girly is town, so once you are investigated and proven town... well that's 3 town members proven if everyone includes themselves. Not to mention lynching someone else. Just my opinion though.

The tone of Girlys posts since she found out she had the spore passed really give me the town vibe.

But, I don't disagree (and can't really argue) with the logic of voting for GirlySports (I just don't believe she turned) - so i'll go along with you guys for this day

unvote

Vote: GirlySports

This was sequential. Going from highly suggesting to laying off GirlySports to voting her in his next post.

Now if Lego Man was scum, he may want to keep the spore in place by not getting GirlySports lynched, however, he would know she would survive a Government Agent attack in the night. Knowing if she wasn't lynched, she would survive and would be able to reveal where the spore went the Host may have wanted to cloud the situation by having the possibility to suggest that GirlySports wasn't checked at all by the Government Agent.

Since I called him out pretty quickly for that post the "Well I think she's town but I will go with you guys" would be a reactive response to being called out and hoping that it would blow over.

Combined with the XXX, I think Lego Man may be my top suspect for Host.

There is some stuff that doesn't exactly support my hypothesis, like his extremely low post count, that I don't know if his Host friends would have done unless they were metagaming it.

Right now I do think that Dissentowner and more reluctantly that Hockeyguy15 and Timbo are town and that the Host are probably sitting back.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I wanted to see how the vote was going, since it looks like HockeyGuy is now the leading choice, expecially given puxlut voted for him.

Why would you feel like you had to point that out?

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I feel the same. I think they are both town and we are heading down a bad path.

Then join the Lego Man train. As stated before, if we lose an inactive poster, it's better than losing an active townie. If he flips host, then I've done something positive. If we lynch Lego, and he flips town, diss and HG can continue their fight on day 4. Discussion is good. Silence is bad.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Why would you feel like you had to point that out?

You are everybody's confirmed townie with your Anomaly reveal. If the most confirmed townie wants to vote you, that's not a good sign.

[Oling_Roachinen]

And another thing with that sequence with Lego Man, he wanted me to be investigated. If he was town, that means he wasn't really sure if I was turned or not. Yet my post got him to change his complete stance. If he really thought I was turned, or the possibility exist, he probably wouldn't have put a ton of weight on just my opinion.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

You are everybody's confirmed townie with your Anomaly reveal. If the most confirmed townie wants to vote you, that's not a good sign.

I read it more that she is confirmed town and voted for me, so more people would be likely to vote for me. Possibly so there is no accidental lynch.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Why would you feel like you had to point that out?

You are the person who I trust the most in this game, due to your reveal. As a confirmed townie, your opinion carries more weight, since we know it isn't influed by the host.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I read it more that she is confirmed town and voted for me, so more people would be likely to vote for me. Possibly so there is no accidental lynch.

No accidental lynch was why I posted the vote count. I wouldn't be suprised to see people following the only confirmed townie to a vote (and that's probably not a bad strategy, to be honest) and I wanted to make sure you got a death post if it comes to that. It's not close to hammer right now, but I wanted to check.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I read it more that she is confirmed town and voted for me, so more people would be likely to vote for me. Possibly so there is no accidental lynch.

That's what I was trying to say.

[squiggs96]

I will be heading out for the day at 12:30 MDT to run my annual charity event. I'll check in every so often, but like most charity events, the more I drink the more the more the charity benefits.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I will be heading out for the day at 12:30 MDT to run my annual charity event. I'll check in every so often, but like most charity events, the more I drink the more the more the charity benefits.

Not that this is game related, but squiggs' life sounds like more fun than mine.

[Peanut]

I'm also going camping this weekend, but really hoping I have reception at the campsite. It's near Brooks, so worst case I'll just make up excuses to drive to town and quickly check in.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

You are everybody's confirmed townie with your Anomaly reveal. If the most confirmed townie wants to vote you, that's not a good sign.

Agreed Pux. Everyone can trust you at this point after the anomaly reveal. SebC is also very trustworthy at this point. I'd be interested to hear where his head is at and who his targets are. He didn't vote in the last vote and he hasn't put a vote out yet this time. I'm assuming he's sticking to his strategy of waiting til the last minute, but in a way that strategy is hurting the town since we don't know his thoughts, but we know he can be trusted.

I feel like Timbo is a high likelihood scum. I also had suspicions of ECF on Day 1, and he hasn't really done anything to sway my opinion. But I'm open to the interpretations of more experienced players.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Out of the 6 that have voted for Girly, 5 of them voted for Acitive. Oling, ECF, Timbo, bizaro and HG. (diss voted for HG last time)

Going with my gut. I think HG has been posting like Oling did last game. He's very persuasive and trying to lead the voting by twisting what people say to how he wants it to benefit him. I don't like being told what to do.

Vote:Hockeyguy15

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I hope that can be arranged.

Unvote

Vote: Hockeyguy15

So according to Puxlut I am trying to lead the vote by twisting people words around. Though in my opinion this vote is more because I rub her the wrong way and she tends to take this game personally, like last game with Oling.

Her example of me twisting words around was when I made a comment about her voting for people who weren't in play, and asking if that was so she couldn't be connected to the lynching of passengers. She got offended by that. Knowing she is town now I have left her alone, but her second vote on me carried with it some animosity. It feels like to me she is voting more out of being pissed off with me than with her head.

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

vote: hockeyguy15
This vote has me questioning the direction of the group as a whole. I think we've been manipulated too easily into this very specific strategy of voting on a potential spore holder that hinges entirely on taking one poster at his word. I've already laid out how us lynching girly and investigating oling could have us come up empty handed while also losing track of the spore, as if we're even sure where it was in the first place. With the way hockeyguy is forcing the vote on girly, I have to think he's steering he group in the wrong direction.

PE first vote on me questions the direction of the group and lays it at my feet. Disagreeing with a posters opinion is fine, but it isn't usually the sole reason for voting for them.

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Posts like this are exactly why I'm suspicious of you. You just declare that a host wouldn't vote the way you voted, therefore it must be one of the people you list. Are we just supposed to gloss over the logic that got you there? It's the way you write it, like it should be a certainty to all of us that no host would vote that way, that further leads me to believe you are a host.

vote hockeyguy15

Vote 2 from PE. This time says that I declare a host wouldn't vote the way I voted, like I said without a doubt that no host would be in on both lynches. I said I thought it was less likely, not that it was impossible. I was trying to think what the hosts would do and how they would vote, it seemed logical to me that they wouldn't want to be in both votes. I'm not sure why he is saying that I'm acting like it should be certainty to everyone when I didn't even say it was a certainty to me.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I tried to get the username mrkzatchwpfh, but it was taken unfortunately, so I had to go with mrkajz44

As for my "drive-by posts", I am quite busy at work and therefore do find it hard to find time through-out the day to post. I tend to find a lull in the day and try to make bigger posts, as I cannot check in constantly. I can see how that would be seen as "drive-by" as the conversation has usually moved on once I get a chance to check back, but that's just the nature of how my work is right now.

The more I think about it, the more I see HG as being Oling 2.0 this game. As stated before, he has a ton of posts and has a great deal of influence in where the conversation is going. It addition, I feel he's getting quite aggressive, so I wonder if a few of us are onto something:

His reply to me when I said HG might have been the beginning of the end for Girly was simply "I didn't like her reaction". I am still curious as to why HG ignored the logic of other posters, and seemed to be a bit headstrong about changing opinions. I also feel his "owning" of getting Girly lynched is a bit of a "I'm running the show, try to stop me" sort of thing:

Looking at the votes, he was both in on lyching Active and Girly, and in my opinion, quite central to both their lynching. I think the hosts would be okay with a stronger personalty such as HG get in on both votes, and even steering people in that direction. Afterwards its easy to claim "well, a host wouldn't be on both lynches of townpeople". It's a good decoy and HG's style plays right into it.

Vote: Hockeyguy15

mrkajz's vote for me, including the recycled "posts like Oling" comment that Puxlut already made. Says I ignored other people's logic which isn't true, my logic made more sense to me so I stuck to my guns. Apparently owning up to voting for Girly instead of trying to make excuses (like Diss blaming me for his vote) is seen to him as me thinking I'm invincible. I suppose that is kind of true since I'm not really worried about getting lynched, I just hope to get as much info out there before my time comes.

I was quite central to the activeStick lynch according to him, though I've posted my part in that lynch and I don't think I was the driving force behind it. Apparently it isn't as easy to claim that a host wouldn't be in on both lynches since PE, Diss and mrkajz all seem to use that piece of info to vote against me.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so like I said before, HG15 seems most suspect to me. He is participating in the game yet trying to steer attention anywhere but himself. The facts are it is early so it is super hard to get a read on anything. Oling played a brilliant game last time yet turned out to be scum but something tells me he is on the straight and narrow this time, gut feeling. SebC's posts are strange but maybe that is just the way he plays. Same with squiggs, coming out early with his vanilla comment but what to make of it? It is basically a crapshoot at this point and we still have time to figure out the voting which is why I have not voted yet. If I did it would be HG15 right now unless something changes. Or do we vote for someone not participating and lurking? Anyhow, if I was scum I would not be calling attention to myself and I would rather we not waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on when it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

As I said before, at this point it is a crap shoot. I guess I just go with the gut as we are all putting in a vote.

Vote:Hockeyguy15

I lumped these 2 posts from Diss together since he didn't say much in the actual vote post. I am putting attention everywhere but myself, I still can't wrap my head around that one. That last part about don't "waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on wheb it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys" seems weird to me.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is an easy vote for me, I should have stuck with my original instincts. Puxlut has the same suspicions, HG is directing the game and I believe he is a host for sure. I am also suspicious of Timbo. Notice both are after me because they know I am an experienced player and therefore a threat to the scum. Go back and look at the way HG has manipulated the votes and play. Hell, he even got me caught up in it in the last vote when he assured us all GS was a host. He also has to say "since I know I am town" constantly to try and get that to stick in everyone's head.

Vote:Hockeyguy15

Vote 2 from Diss, his main driving force for voting me is because I am directing the game. Says I assured everyone Girly was a host, we in actuality I was saying she was infected with the possibility of being a host. Says I constantly say I am town, when he is just as/if not more guilty of it.

Blames me for getting caught up in the Girly vote, trying to wipe his hands clean of that one?

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except you would not be dumb enough to draw the scum card twice and play the exact same way. I have to admit that Timbo and bizaro have thrown me for a bit of a loop with their unvotes. One could still be scum taking the attention of themselves by doing so but I highly doubt both would take off their votes if they both were. So odds are I am wrong on at least one, possibly both. I think you are scum HG but I don't think you are the Captain, too risky to be steering the ship the way you have been. I think the Captain is probably more of a lurker, he or she posts here and there but keeps to the background. I think the other host is probably the same, possibly an inexperienced player. I think the scum strategy at the beginning was to keep two active but more or less lying in the weeds and to send the strongest most experienced player to start leading the herd in the direction the scum want. A person who can talk there way out of accusations and who has gone deep in the game before. I am still really leary of Timbo, the trail still has me leaning toward scum and I think he might have unvoted to cause confusion. I have no idea about bizaro now. It is still really tough at this stage to get a good read on him or most for that matter. The only consistency to my thoughts and theories is you. I have to place my vote in what I think is best for the town. If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

Unvote
Vote:Hockeyguy15

And the final vote from Diss. This is pretty much just his opinion with nothing to back it up. You could almost put anyone's name in there instead of mine, it isn't exactly the most sound argument against anyone.

My point is that all of these votes against me lack any real substance, and they don't have any real effort or thought put into them. Both Diss and mrkajz seem like they are trying to come up with something so they use vague reasons and hypothetical host scenarios. PE's votes are pretty much because he disagrees with my reasoning and then either misinterprets what I said or chose to manipulate it to fit his argument. Puxlut generally seems to dislike me.

[Lego Man]

I have to apologize for not participating as much as I thought I would so far this game. Work has been much busier than I expected and combined with alot of things planned after work... I just can't quite keep up like I wish I could.

Combined with how much more complicated this game setup is than the previous games I played... it's a lot to digest.

That all said.. I still don't understand how someone can vote an inactive town member and use it as the main reason. There are 1136 comments... but you choose to focus on the person who contributes least, and purely for that reason. Easy way to hide vote patternI think.

With that said, I do understand that the whole point of the game is to have discussion and debate and theories and that everyone should all be posting actively. And for that I apologize again - to all players of the game and the game master.

OKAY. I'm gonna catch up and post some my thoughts...

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

That all said.. I still don't understand how someone can vote an inactive town member and use it as the main reason.

It's almost like you're using this as a shield at this point.

I'm usually the first on board with the lynch the inactives, but really I say that to put pressure on them to get involved as opposed to actually lynching them. You appear to be almost using that bluff to your advantage. The game started 15 days ago and you have 16 posts, and certainly there's a quality over quantity, but when a hyperbolic half of your posts are addressing your inactivity there's an issue. Regardless, it's the other half of your posts that concern me...

It's not you I hate, HG. It's your posting style I dislike. My gut says it's scummy. I don't want people to vote for you because I do, I want them to vote for you because they think you're scummy too.