CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Also both votes so far you have voted for someone that wasn't even in play. Is this so people can't go back and connect your votes to lynched passengers?

This quote above is twisting your words around? You have voted for me and Lego Man neither of us are the main people in play for the votes. I asked you why you have voted for 2 people that aren't really in play. No word twisting at all.

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Thanks for saving me time so I don't have to go back through the thread. This is what I'm talking about. You take what people have said and done and made it into something it's not.
I vote for who I vote for based on what I think is right. Last game I had alot of support from Starseed (which was helpful, because I was absolutely lost) This time I'm going to go with my gut. Which last time I should have listened to and got rid of Oling when he was being a bully and doing exactly what you do. Always on the offense even when you're trying to be defensive. That's all I have to say to you...done.
I will play the game my way and not just jump on any old bandwagon that comes around.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

A) if they don't flip they won't know they have the spore until Night 3
B) What if they're lying?

This is a fascinating game (damn you Mazrim) because the spore could be anywhere.

This. If we base our strategy around assumptions the while thing can snowball pretty quick.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

This. If we base our strategy around assumptions the while thing can snowball pretty quick.

You have to make assumptions in this game.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Seb, how are you defining lynching late? You were originally voting girlysports, do you still believe that is a good idea?

My philosophy is that I'd like to avoid tipping my hand early - to the point that I will refrain from making arguments that may say where my vote is going unless I see things going off the rails completely. My vote or non-vote, at the end of the day, should tell you what ideas I support.

Ideally, I'd like to see little "tipping off" from other townies as well. I think deadline lynches, with little lead up (i.e. early votes), benefits the town. While it has been said that this is a game about an informed minority vs. an uninformed majority, we can withhold information to our advantage.

Today, I slipped up. It was an error.

[Lego Man]

I highly suggest we lay off GirlySports, and investigate Oiling overnight. If Oling is town, I also buy GirlySports defence too.

Let's learn something new about someone else. My vote currently is for timbo, but I'm also weary of EastCoastFlame.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

I highly suggest we lay off GirlySports, and investigate Oiling overnight. If Oling is town, I also buy GirlySports defence too.

Woah. No way. That's some terrible logic. Which doesn't gel with your other well thought out posts lately.

Me being town doesn't help GirlySports defense at all. It would mean I did send her the spore, as I did, and even if she was town there's now an ~50% chance of her being turned but also the possibility of her being Host. This almost feels like a newb scum trying to somehow use my town as support of a turned/scum...

Not lynching and not investigating GirlySports would leave us completely clueless if she can be trusted tomorrow about where the spore went.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Woah. No way. That's some terrible logic. Which doesn't gel with your other well thought out posts lately.

Me being town doesn't help GirlySports defense at all. It would mean I did send her the spore, as I did, and even if she was town there's now an ~50% chance of her being turned but also the possibility of her being Host. This almost feels like a newb scum trying to somehow use my town as support of a turned/scum...

Not lynching and not investigating GirlySports would leave us completely clueless if she can be trusted tomorrow about where the spore went.

From my perspective - I'm very confident that Girly is town, so once you are investigated and proven town... well that's 3 town members proven if everyone includes themselves. Not to mention lynching someone else. Just my opinion though.

The tone of Girlys posts since she found out she had the spore passed really give me the town vibe.

But, I don't disagree (and can't really argue) with the logic of voting for GirlySports (I just don't believe she turned) - so i'll go along with you guys for this day

unvote

Vote: GirlySports

[Mazrim]

Vote Count

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 6 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn't Voted (4): Peanut, Party Elephant, SebC, GirlySports

Voted:
GirlySports (8): Oling_Roachinen, East Coast Flame, dissentowner, Timbo, bizaro86, Hockeyguy15, devo22, Lego Man
Timbo (2): GGG, mrkajz44
Peanut (1): squiggs96
Hockeyguy15 (1): Puxlut

The deadline is Monday, June 1st at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Day 2 - lynch Girly, 15 people left.
Night 2 - Investigate Oling to be safe
Day 3 - 3/15 shot at getting scum, 0 confirmed and 0 possible infected, 14 Left
Night 3 - Spore is passed, likely no one to investigate
Day 4 - either 3/14 or 2/14 for hosts, 0 confirmed and 1 possible infected 13 left
Night 4 - Spore is passed, likely no one to investigate

Day 2 - lynch Someone else, 15 people left.
Night 2 - Investigate and kill Girly, spore is passed regardless, 14 left
Day 3 - 3/14 or 2/14 shot at getting scum, 0 confirmed and 1 possible infected, 13 Left
Night 3 - Spore is passed, investigate Oling to be safe
Day 4 - either 3/13, 2/13 or 1/13 for hosts, 0 confirmed and 2 possible infected, 12 left
Night 4 - Spore is passed, likely no one to investigate

So in your way we have sped up the game. If you don't hit a host with the next couple lynches and you don't get a night off from the spore soon they will have enough people for a deadline lynch.

If you believe oling is turned, your confusing game days with lunch attempts. The government agent shouldn't investigate oling night 3 as oling playing as he is as host is reasonable as turned its foolish.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So why are you trying to strong arm people and are being slightly rude about us having to go with your plan if they are the exact same end result in your opinion?

I'm not, I don't care if people vote girly because they believe she is more likely to be host then unturned.

I have a big issue with those who want to take the spore out of play because that doesn't help provided the agent is still alive.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

If you believe oling is turned, your confusing game days with lunch attempts. The government agent shouldn't investigate oling night 3 as oling playing as he is as host is reasonable as turned its foolish.

I was assuming we didn't know where the spore was so I just put Oling because who else would you investigate at that point, someone random?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Does anyone else think the lengths GGG is going to defend girlysports are interesting? Possibilities:

Girly is host:
GGG could be host trying to defend her and keep host numbers up. This would be especially true if Girly is the captain. This is a risky play, since it links them if girly gets lynched and flips scum, but GGG is an aggressive player.

Girly is turned:
Similar to above. Because GGG is using meta-game logic in defence, he can argue that his play was still the right one even if girly was turned. Not much risk to him, potential to save a turned if the agent investigates oling instead.

Girly is town:
GGG is trying to keep a town player in the game. This is either good town play, or someone trying to establish town bonafides for after what looks like a probably cardflip.

Of course, GGG could just believe in the logic he's presented and be a very aggressive town player trying to sell everyone else on his idea. This has been a pretty aggressive defense even for him.

My logic is infallible and this is important for days where the certainty of the turned is much lower. The reason I am being hardheaded about it is people kept coming back to this take the spore out of play thing. It would be suicide for a host to defend a host like this. If girly is turned the defense is pointless as well as the agent kills her tonight.

If Oling is turned then me as host would have motivation for this play as of investigating oling disappears.

As a note I was also defending girly day one pre all of this mess. The one thing that is telling is Girlys lack of fight. If she were host or unturned I would expect more vocal support of my logic. So this discussion is likely moot for today.

[GirlySports]

this vote is for cosmetic purposes as I'm about to croak. I think ECF has been laying in the weeds and just following along. Throwing in the odd comment amongst the noise.

vote East Coast Flame

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

My logic is infallible

You missed the obvious....2 lynch votes. It doesn't matter now, I think we got as much as we will, but it wasn't just be that we got to the destination (GirlySports and Other dead) but how we got there as well.

Why remove such vital information as a lynch vote? If GirlySports showed Turned, even if it meant we just didn't give Government Agent the fun in killing her, we still got an entire extra sets of votes to go over it...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Similar to devo. If don't think I'm the host and have turned, you should lynch Oling and investigate me, instead of vice versa. Because if you don't think Oling has turned, investigating him would be a waste.

And again you can tell me where to send the spore.

And girly is turned 100% now. Sorry for wasting all your time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

My philosophy is that I'd like to avoid tipping my hand early - to the point that I will refrain from making arguments that may say where my vote is going unless I see things going off the rails completely. My vote or non-vote, at the end of the day, should tell you what ideas I support.

Ideally, I'd like to see little "tipping off" from other townies as well. I think deadline lynches, with little lead up (i.e. early votes), benefits the town. While it has been said that this is a game about an informed minority vs. an uninformed majority, we can withhold information to our advantage.

Today, I slipped up. It was an error.

This is bad for the town and echoes girlies they don't know what I'm thinking arguement from last game in which she flipped scum.

SebC is climbing hire onto the scum list

[GGG]

SebC we are at the end of the day with Girly one vote away from hammer so I'd like to here where you stand on today's discussion

Girly, if you have a death post to make make it now.

No one vote girly until her death post.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I can't really say anymore. I am town, I have not received any spore. If we are to believe Oling than I am getting the spore tonight and we have won two coin flips. So take advantage of that, look elsewhere to lynch and tell me where to send the spore next.

We asked her earlier to start working on a death post, this is what she came up with then.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

this vote is for cosmetic purposes as I'm about to croak. I think ECF has been laying in the weeds and just following along. Throwing in the odd comment amongst the noise.

vote East Coast Flame

GirlySports, you are one vote away from hammer. I'd like to use up the full clock, but I can only speak for myself. If this is your deathbed post, I want to impress on you that you can, and should, try to give us more. If you are who you say you are, you might soon to become a confirmed townie. Your thoughts would become far more valuable, and you can still win in the afterlife. Heck, you can put us all in a random order, and if you're confirmed town, at least if we want a random target we can use it.

Death is, in a way, an opportunity. I feel you aren't going far enough to take advantage.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SebC

GirlySports, you are one vote away from hammer. I'd like to use up the full clock, but I can only speak for myself. If this is your deathbed post, I want to impress on you that you can, and should, try to give us more. If you are who you say you are, you might soon to become a confirmed townie. Your thoughts would become far more valuable, and you can still win in the afterlife. Heck, you can put us all in a random order, and if you're confirmed town, at least if we want a random target we can use it.

Death is, in a way, an opportunity. I feel you aren't going far enough to take advantage.

Okay, this reads as GirlySports make a fake reveal..

How else would we confirm town here?