Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-28-2015, 11:41 AM   #901
Otto-matic
Franchise Player
 
Otto-matic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyC View Post
So that would imply that he went there with the intention of killing all 3 people, not just one or both of Grandparents? He knew the kid was there?
Hate to go here but,

Do you think he dissolved the bodies in acid?

Would that suffice to bumping up the 2nd degree charge to 1st?
Otto-matic is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 11:45 AM   #902
Coach
Franchise Player
 
Coach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

I thought the degree had to do with pre-meditated vs reactionary.

When does pre-meditated begin? If he kidnapped all 3 of them and from there decided on killing all 3, is that murder 1? Or does he have to have evidence of it being planned out before hand?

IE. If he went with the intention of killing the Grandpa (murder 1) and then decided to kill the other two after finding them there (murder 2?) does that get bumped after he decides?

I'm always confused about the difference between murder 2 and 3.
__________________
Coach is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 11:58 AM   #903
united
#1 Goaltender
 
united's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Exp:
Default

If I remember correctly, researching the possibilities back in the month after this horrible event happened indicated second-degree is escalated to first-degree if the murder takes place during a kidnapping.
__________________
"I think the eye test is still good, but analytics can sure give you confirmation: what you see...is that what you really believe?"
Scotty Bowman, 0 NHL games played
united is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 12:23 PM   #904
llwhiteoutll
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Exp:
Default

First degree murder in Canada is

- Planned and deliberate
- Murder of a peace officer
- While committing/attempting sexual assault, and same with a weapon
- Contract killings
- While committing or attempting kidnapping
- During a hijacking
- Committing criminal harassment or intimidation
llwhiteoutll is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to llwhiteoutll For This Useful Post:
Old 05-28-2015, 12:44 PM   #905
Minnie
Franchise Player
 
Minnie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic View Post
Hate to go here but,

Do you think he dissolved the bodies in acid?

Would that suffice to bumping up the 2nd degree charge to 1st?

Given his background, it's a thought, horrible as it is to contemplate, that has crossed my mind since the very beginning, and I don't think they'll ever find bodies.
Minnie is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 02:19 PM   #906
T@T
Lifetime Suspension
 
T@T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic View Post
Hate to go here but,

Do you think he dissolved the bodies in acid?

Would that suffice to bumping up the 2nd degree charge to 1st?
It would take years to dissolve a body to where there's nothing left, they have found sulfuric acid barrells with bodies in them 3 years old in Mexico and they still identify them.
T@T is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 02:35 PM   #907
ernie
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by T@T View Post
It would take years to dissolve a body to where there's nothing left, they have found sulfuric acid barrells with bodies in them 3 years old in Mexico and they still identify them.
Sulfuric acid is not the best acid to dissolve bodies in. Plenty of other better options or methods though....
ernie is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 02:43 PM   #908
nik-
Franchise Player
 
nik-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Exp:
Default

Apparently caustic soda (sodium hydroxide/lye) can do it in a day.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterJoji View Post
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
nik- is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 02:59 PM   #909
Weitz
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Exp:
Default

I watched W5 about the guy who killed those G4 workers in Edmonton.

He got murder 1 after killing one of the people he didn't know was there because once he learned they were there he reloaded his gun and went and shot him. That made it murder 1 apparently. If I remember it correctly.
Weitz is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 03:06 PM   #910
Coys1882
First Line Centre
 
Coys1882's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Exp:
Default

My wife was in the courtroom for part of the preliminary trial - would posting what she heard violate the publication ban?
Coys1882 is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 03:12 PM   #911
Raekwon
First Line Centre
 
Raekwon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Airdrie, Alberta
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coys1882 View Post
My wife was in the courtroom for part of the preliminary trial - would posting what she heard violate the publication ban?
Yes, but pm'ing me with it is fine
Raekwon is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Raekwon For This Useful Post:
Old 05-28-2015, 03:16 PM   #912
jar_e
Franchise Player
 
jar_e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyC View Post
I thought the degree had to do with pre-meditated vs reactionary.

When does pre-meditated begin? If he kidnapped all 3 of them and from there decided on killing all 3, is that murder 1? Or does he have to have evidence of it being planned out before hand?

IE. If he went with the intention of killing the Grandpa (murder 1) and then decided to kill the other two after finding them there (murder 2?) does that get bumped after he decides?

I'm always confused about the difference between murder 2 and 3.
That whole murder 1/2/3 is american speak. No "murder 3" in Canada. It's either first degree or second degree.

edit: and most likely upgraded to first degree for:

-while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping and forcible confinement

IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_%28Canadian_law%29
jar_e is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 03:20 PM   #913
northcrunk
#1 Goaltender
 
northcrunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coys1882 View Post
My wife was in the courtroom for part of the preliminary trial - would posting what she heard violate the publication ban?
Yeah. You could do it through PM though.
northcrunk is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 04:24 PM   #914
taco.vidal
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coys1882 View Post
My wife was in the courtroom for part of the preliminary trial - would posting what she heard violate the publication ban?
If anyone did get info via PM, Id like to hear and would pass on via PM.
taco.vidal is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 04:33 PM   #915
Kjesse
Retired
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coys1882 View Post
My wife was in the courtroom for part of the preliminary trial - would posting what she heard violate the publication ban?
Yes it would, don't post on any message boards you'll get in trouble.

Personal communications aren't caught, "publication" I believe is to the world-at-large, and certainly includes message boards, twitter, facebook etc.
Kjesse is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 04:33 PM   #916
Kjesse
Retired
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Exp:
Default

I'd also like to get a PM. I think that would be OK.
Kjesse is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 06:31 PM   #917
jayswin
Celebrated Square Root Day
 
jayswin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Exp:
Default

Anyone else get a PM back? I had no luck, my interest has been piqued!!
jayswin is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 06:52 PM   #918
FLAMESRULE
First Line Centre
 
FLAMESRULE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: The centre of everything
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delgar View Post
I'd also like to get a PM. I think that would be OK.
PM and I'll pass it on to the next PM request.
FLAMESRULE is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 06:56 PM   #919
puffnstuff
Franchise Player
 
puffnstuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: wearing raccoons for boots
Exp:
Default

I never get PMs, I'd like one.
puffnstuff is offline  
Old 05-28-2015, 06:57 PM   #920
Flames_Gimp
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Hell
Exp:
Default

please please please can this monster get butt-raped to death
__________________
Flames_Gimp is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
calgary weeps


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:11 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy