Manners/Social Conventions You Don't Follow

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Yeah that's true, we didn't have terrible service everywhere. Just found there was less incentive to be helpful there. Mind you we found the service was better off the beaten path rather than tourist traps like Venice. Still hated the prices in most places, found it more expensive in general.

You are comparing NA service and prices to Venice? There is your problem.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I tip toe if I have to walk on carpet with my shoes haha.

The toes of your shoes also touch the ground...

[Ducay]

The guys who don't flush the toilet can go burn in heck. What are you, a mongrol? What kind of disease do you have that makes you think touching the handle is worse than everything else you just did, or that soap will not clean your hands.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by handgroen

so after we've seen toilet log leavers, shoes on your couch trompsers, no tippin' pippens, am i still the worst person in the world for not capitalizing?

Yes.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Cappy

You are comparing NA service and prices to Venice? There is your problem.

Nah, that was the worst, but it wasn't the only place we went.

[The Yen Man]

Edit: Whoops, double post.

[codynw]

The thing I don't get about tipping is the fact that it's percentage based. Is the server's job that much harder if I order an expensive meal than it is if I order $5 worth of chicken wings and a couple drinks?

Doesn't make much sense to me. Should be based on quality of service, not how expensive your food was.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by codynw

The thing I don't get about tipping is the fact that it's percentage based. Is the server's job that much harder if I order an expensive meal than it is if I order $5 worth of chicken wings and a couple drinks?

Doesn't make much sense to me. Should be based on quality of service, not how expensive your food was.

Ya, I always tip way more as a percentage on wings night, becuase the server constantly has to run back and forht between wings/empty baskets and drinks. Some people I go out with don't get it, but I feel bad.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, I always tip way more as a percentage on wings night, becuase the server constantly has to run back and forht between wings/empty baskets and drinks. Some people I go out with don't get it, but I feel bad.

Yeah I tip pretty big on wing night but mostly because we're regulars. They treat us awesome and we're kind of jackasses sometimes so I figure you gotta pay to play.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

This post needs a clip of the diner scene from Reservoir Dogs...

I am used to tipping now, but coming from Australia, where a tip is an optional gratuity, not a wage supplement, the whole phenomenon in north america confused me. So you pay your employees less, charge less on face value of the meal, and then rely on a customer to cover the shortfall in wages as an extra tax on their meal?

I'll make it clear that I tip. I tip a minimum of 10% (10% being crappy service). I generally tip 15-20% for servers, a loonie or so per drink order a bars, I tip my hair dresser 18%. I, unlike Mr. Pink, tip.

However, I agree with Mr. Pink that it is arbitrary. Why tip servers for good service and not for bank tellers? airline attendants? lawyers? doctors? because they earn enough?

So call it what it is, a wage supplement, but who else should get that? janitors don't make much and they have a ####tier job than servers. Why not tip the janitor when leaving a place? Why do taxi drivers expect tips now?

The whole structure of tipping is deeply flawed and as you said help suppress wages by making us either (a) feel guilty into tipping or (b) berate someone who does not wish to tip.

At the end of the day, tipping is optional. You are not forced to do it, yet we speak of it as a mandatory wage supplement.

So do the smart thing and get rid of tipping - have restaurants pay better wages (this would undoubtedly increase prices, but you pay that increase through tips anyway)...

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The toes of your shoes also touch the ground...

Oh I am aware, however I feel like less surface area will keep my carpet cleaner when i'm in a pinch and need to run back to grab my wallet!

[calf]

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Tipping Delivery drivers has a whole new twist now. In the past it would be automatic to throw a $5 at them, but with delivery charges typically in the $3-$5 range now adding $10 to a $30 pizza delivery is kind of crazy. How much of that actually goes to the driver ? I think it is a much better system if you just add a driver surcharge on the bill.

Yeah I don't get delivery usually because I am not going to just not tip the driver, and I don't want to add the delivery charge plus the tip to my bill. Although now even if you go for pickup, there is a tip option on the machine! Great gazooks!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Oh I am aware, however I feel like less surface area will keep my carpet cleaner when i'm in a pinch and need to run back to grab my wallet!

Oh yes, then for sure.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah I tip pretty big on wing night but mostly because we're regulars. They treat us awesome and we're kind of jackasses sometimes so I figure you gotta pay to play.

I did that when I was a regular. You tip more in general because they pay attention to you more. You can always tip less if it was an off night or just chat them up to see what's going on and it usually resolves itself. Sometimes, you can't even pay to get good service, so truly show appreciation when you get it.


One thing my friends and wife (GF at time) do is low ball tip servers who half ass serving a table. Hear me out. A couple sits at a table. The waitress flirts with the guy expecting he will pay and tip more due to her... well endowed service in a tight shirt. Completely ignores the girl (as in, talks and serves guy pretty well all night and pretty much pretends pretends she isn't there). This happened a few times where I could get maybe 3-4 refills, my GF like 0-1 even though her cup is bone dry. GF grabs the bill and turns whatever shade she wants on the server tip wise and I turn a blind eye. I mean, I got a view and my GF got a butt in her face. Turn the tables and I would probably rage tip or zero tip too if I had a butt in my face.

We've done it with tables of like 5+ guys and 1-2 girls (usually evening drinks) where the girl is seriously being under served literally to the point of being ignored (as in, we as the guys have to ask for water, booze, cutlery etc. and give it to our friend since the level of bad service to our female friend while we guys receive good/great service; female asks for service, get it once with attitude, then completely ignored again). We consider it the law of averages. Tip should be average of table. If someone had an extremely negative experience while the rest positive, tip should reflect this average per person. Expect a woman scorned to give 0-5% and it seems like a completely justified tip for the entire table... or maybe we just don't want to be attacked by an angry friend for treating someone nicely who treated them poorly?

[PsYcNeT]

The worst thing is that 4 or 5 dollar delivery charges were introduced due to skyrocketing gas prices, but I certainly didn't see them drop when gas dropped.

And people say private business has our best interests at heart.

[The Yen Man]

So for the toilet non flushers, I guess you'd be ok with people at your house dropping deuces and not flushing as well right? I always wondered what type of dirtbag does this, I guess now I know. You guys suck.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So for the toilet non flushers, I guess you'd be ok with people at your house dropping deuces and not flushing as well right? I always wondered what type of dirtbag does this, I guess now I know. You guys suck.

Just upper deck the next time you're at the house of someone who doesn't flush when they are at your house.

Also, tipping taxi drivers is a scam. The way it was explained to me is that the driver pays the cab owner a set amount per week, then all the fares collected belong to the driver. Out of those, he has to cover gas, washer fluid etc... So tipping someone who is already getting all the money you give them is pointless.

[northcrunk]

Wow not flushing seems to be a big trigger to launch some people into a rage.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The worst thing is that 4 or 5 dollar delivery charges were introduced due to skyrocketing gas prices, but I certainly didn't see them drop when gas dropped.

And people say private business has our best interests at heart.

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