Iginla 7th All Time No Stanley Cup UFA July 1 2017

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Here is an example. Monahan has the puck, he is racing down the ice in a 2 on 1. On the line is a goal, game, or playoff win. He knows he should take the shot, but Iggy is there. Iggy is the proven performer and clutch guy. So he hesitates, passes and a save is made.

Iggy probably didn't want the puck, but players will second guess now that he is there. It isn't his fault, but the entire organization and fans want Iggy to light it up one last time.

None of this happens if the Flames move on. Iggy hopefully gets everything he wants, as I respect him a ton. I just know the circus we got out of a few years ago, and to invite that back is not smart. The circus isn't his fault, it is ours, but none the less it is reality and we have to realize it. Win or Iggy, not both.

That's not an example, it's a ficticious scenario.

I could just as easily create an example where Monahan makes that pass, Iginla puts it in the back of the net his 7th goal that game and win the Stanley Cup!

None of this happens if the Flames move on....

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

That's a great example, especially considering Canada's performance at the Olympics was probably the most dominant Olympics performance in a long time...

Maybe you can email Brian Burke that and tell him he is wrong so he won't guide the Flames in that direct then. His email is probably bburke@calgaryflames.com

Good luck

[jeffman]

I think Burke's problem is that he thinks that "plumbers" can only be big grinders. Plumbers can also be hardworking speedy players that are overlooked by other teams and cause havok in the other teams zone IMO. Look at the bottom 6 of Chicago, TB and Detroit, none of these bottom 6 are necessarily huge but they have guys like Kruger, Saad, Tatar that can run around and cause havok in the enemy territory and keep the play out of our end.

[hockey.modern]

Would love to see iginla be part of the management when he retires

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Iggie would look great at RW for the Flames 2017-18 season if he is still healthy when we make a serious run at the Cup!

[FlamesAddiction]

In theory, if we could get a 20 goal/50 point RW like Iginla, I would do it... post-apex or not.

I just have trouble seeing him as being able to be a 2nd fiddle on this team. This is Giordano's, Hudler's and Monahan's team now and I would hate to see that dynamic messed with.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by jeffman

I think Burke's problem is that he thinks that "plumbers" can only be big grinders. Plumbers can also be hardworking speedy players that are overlooked by other teams and cause havok in the other teams zone IMO. Look at the bottom 6 of Chicago, TB and Detroit, none of these bottom 6 are necessarily huge but they have guys like Kruger, Saad, Tatar that can run around and cause havok in the enemy territory and keep the play out of our end.

That really isn't true given how he GM'ed Vancouver and Toronto, and how he picked Team USA.

The one thing that Burke had said was, in a playoff series of 4 rounds, you are going to meet a big physical team, a fast team, a skilled team, and probably a team that posses a mix of all 3 of those trains; and your team has to beat all 4 teams to be able to win a cup. His belief isn't that you can't have small skilled players, small skilled grinders or anything about size in particular; but, as Treliving did alude to in the season's post-mortem, the team played noticeably bigger when Bouma and Ferland came back. Treliving also said you can't have size simply by inserting guys with physical dimensions, the game doesn't work that way - the game is so fast now, you have to be able to skate and make plays, and that has to be key. Which, to make this thread go full circle, any part of bringing Iginla back is that he would have to fit what this team needs to win a cup and those traits that Burke/Treliving talked about in the previous year and the post-mortem, and that probably won't be a PP specialist (doubt we even need one at all) or any nostalgic reasons - it would have to be a hockey addition where he comes in and contributes something fitting of the role accordingly.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Maybe you can email Brian Burke that and tell him he is wrong so he won't guide the Flames in that direct then. His email is probably bburke@calgaryflames.com

Good luck

I think Burke's comments when comparing the Olympic rosters was a PR tactic. He knew that he could never ice a lineup even remotely as deep as Team Canada, so he compensated in the media with this "artists" v. "plumbers" nonsense.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

That really isn't true given how he GM'ed Vancouver and Toronto, and how he picked Team USA.

The one thing that Burke had said was, in a playoff series of 4 rounds, you are going to meet a big physical team, a fast team, a skilled team, and probably a team that posses a mix of all 3 of those trains; and your team has to beat all 4 teams to be able to win a cup. His belief isn't that you can't have small skilled players, small skilled grinders or anything about size in particular; but, as Treliving did alude to in the season's post-mortem, the team played noticeably bigger when Bouma and Ferland came back. Treliving also said you can't have size simply by inserting guys with physical dimensions, the game doesn't work that way - the game is so fast now, you have to be able to skate and make plays, and that has to be key. Which, to make this thread go full circle, any part of bringing Iginla back is that he would have to fit what this team needs to win a cup and those traits that Burke/Treliving talked about in the previous year and the post-mortem, and that probably won't be a PP specialist (doubt we even need one at all) or any nostalgic reasons - it would have to be a hockey addition where he comes in and contributes something fitting of the role accordingly.

This is where there seem to be a lot of knuckleheads giving opinions.

Iggy brings a lot of these dimensions. Can play any game. Look at his season in Boston. Won the city over with the physical game and fights early, back checked very well, and put up another 30. He was the top line RW, no debate, left and Lucix wiltered, and Boston missed the playoffs.

Guy is a hall of famer with above average ability in enough areas to make him elite. And CP is comparing him with Bollig. Silly.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

"Hey the team is playing great, we have exciting youth, we made it past the second round, so let's live in the past and yearn for the good ol days watching Iginla play."

Seriously?

the good old days of making it past the first round one time in his entire tenure...the guy missing Iggy on the 5 on 3 PP in game four obviously didn't see much of the Flames and Iggy in the playoffs because their powerplay was TURRIBLE (13%) in 04 when Iggy was in his absolute prime

Iggy was a great player for the Flames but people quickly forget more often than not the team with him on it was a massive letdown save for one season

[Aarongavey]

I would only bring Iggy back if we brought Regehr back at the same time. That way they could re-create that garbage bag day magic where Reggie talked about how there needed to be a broader team commitment to defence and Iggy could say everything was fine and nothing to see here. Those are the hockey memories of my twenties. Good times.

[Tyler]

Ah Reggie.. the guy who single-handedly sent Mike Keenan to the KHL

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just have trouble seeing him as being able to be a 2nd fiddle on this team. This is Giordano's, Hudler's and Monahan's team now and I would hate to see that dynamic messed with.

He already is a "2nd fiddle" role in Colorado and he appears to be thriving in his support position.

[CroFlames]

I think that once his deal is up in COL, Treliving should offer him 1x1 or 1x2 to finish off the story book career in the rightful manner. That way it doesn't even cost us anything to get him.

I realistically see Calgary as a legitimate playoff team in 2 or 3 years time, and I think Iggy is the type of player who will score 20 to 25 goals playing 2nd fiddle in his final year in the NHL. Iggy is a smart man. He won't walk into the room thinking he's the New Leader after signing a 1x1. He legitimately wouldn't even wear an 'A', and he knows that.

If the Flames go all the way how amazing would it be if we won the Cup with Iggy. Literally no one here is saying lets bring back the Iggy Days or they want Iggy to be the new leader. All the supporters here are saying is that it would be incredibly awesome for Iggy to sign a one year deal once we are a legitimate contender, or at least a regular playoff team. Nothing bad could come of it since he will still be in tremendous shape right up until retirement.

And if we don't end up winning it all, it will still be awesome to have Iggy do his final lap in a Flames uniform.

I really fail to see all the hate for this idea.

[Vinny01]

I hope if we are picking up Iggy in this scenario he is nothing more than a 10 minute 4th liner that scores 10 goals and maybe hits 30pts. I would love for him to be a factor in the playoffs win a cup here and retire

[Tyler]

All you's wanting Iggy back, I gots 2 words for ya:

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

He already is a "2nd fiddle" role in Colorado and he appears to be thriving in his support position.

Not really. He led the Avs in scoring and PP time out of all forwards, and he had the most ice-time per game out of any RW on his team. Only Monahan on the Flames had more ice-time than Iginla did on the Avs.

I think the intention at the beginning of the season was to have Iginla being a secondary player, but as the season went on they really leaned on him and he took a central role.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Honestly, did you watch a single minute this year and say...if only we had Iggy?

I did. I thought him and Tanguay might look quite a bit better than our current second line when we were playing the Avs.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by SebC

I did. I thought him and Tanguay might look quite a bit better than our current second line when we were playing the Avs.

Well neither of them wanted to be here and have moved on.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think Burke's comments when comparing the Olympic rosters was a PR tactic. He knew that he could never ice a lineup even remotely as deep as Team Canada, so he compensated in the media with this "artists" v. "plumbers" nonsense.

This comment was done in a university classroom, not a media conference. I believe it was also done >1 year after the Olympics... can't see why it would be a PR tactic.

Also, the previous Olympics, Team Canada had Kirk Maltby and Kris Draper on their Team Canada, so its not like it was a foreign concept either.