This is not the draft to condense your picks. 4 picks in the top 53 is a massive boon for the franchise. this draft goes deep into the 3rd round apparently so the quantity turns into quality.
But if you can get a player in the late first that the scouts absolutely love with two second rounders, believe you have to look at it. I get the extra lottery ticket argument, but something to be said for quality over quantity.
Granted it is the Hockey News but their draft preview shows a drop off in talent after the first round. They say this draft is deep in solid prospects, with a lot of projected 3rd liners and 4-5 defencemen. If you can trade up to get a top six forward or a 2-3 defenceman, believe you have to seriously consider it.
It's hard to imagine a scenario where the Flames draft a player 15th, but then see a player that they love falling to 25th or so where the Flames start talking to teams to move up. But the possibilities are why we talk about this, I guess.
Hard to know if two of the second rounders even gets you into the first round anyway. That also seems like a longshot.
Hard to know if two of the second rounders even gets you into the first round anyway. That also seems like a longshot.
Historically 2 second rounders gets you into the late 1st almost every year
2003 Lightning traded #25 to Panthers for #34, #41, and #192
2003 Stars traded #28 to Ducks for #36 and #54
2005 Avalanche traded #27 to Caps for #47 and #52
2006 Wings traded #29 to Coyotes for #41 and #47
2007 Caps traded #28 to Sharks for #41 and #57
2008 Ducks traded #28 to Coyotes for #35 and #39
2009 Wings traded #29 to Lightning for #32 and #75
2010 Hawks traded #30 to Islanders for #35 and #58
2011 Wings traded #24 to Senators for #35 and #48
2014 Lightning traded #28 to Islanders for #35 and #57
It might be a little tougher for Treliving because his 2nd rounders are mid and late round, but it isn't a longshot at all.
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Also, with the depth of this draft, trading for higher picks probably wouldn't get you a substantially better player. Using past picks as a comparable, it would be like dealing Granlund and Wotherspoon for Klimchuk. Is Klimchuk better, probably, but there's not a huge gulf between them.
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It all depends who they're targeting. If Kylington is someone they want and think Hartley and co can whip him into shape, maybe they'd be willing to trade 2 seconds for a first especially if the team they go to trade with doesn't really have anyone on their list available. It's all in who the GM's want and who's available. For me, Kylington just has way to much skill to pass up, it seems he's trying to do too much. Maybe it's because he was so highly rated and wanted to jump up to be the top prospect and was making risky plays. I'd be very happy if we were able to get him.
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I think Kylington is too high risk, but also high reward. You take players like that in the later rounds, 1st rounders are 1st rounders because they should be close to a sure thing or they project to be NHLers imo.
Wonder if we have any interest in Parker Wotherspoon who is a pretty decent prospect, one of the better NHL elegibles from the WHL. His big brother T-Spoon is coming along well for the Flames so it would be neat if we Drafted Parker. I've seen quite a bit of him and Brandon Carlo at Tri-City, I would be ecstatic if we could grab them both. :P/
PARKER WOTHERSPOON
Future Considerations
A composed, two-way defender…a high-end skater…good acceleration to his stride and excellent top-end speed…uses his skating to create offence…handles the puck well and makes simple but effective outlet passes…possesses a hard shot with a quick release…defensively he is very smart and composed…excellent gap work and a great stick when defending both off the cycle and off the rush…not overly physical at all but does use his frame to protect pucks against the forecheck…nothings seems to faze this kid. (December 2014)
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I think Kylington is too high risk, but also high reward. You take players like that in the later rounds, 1st rounders are 1st rounders because they should be close to a sure thing or they project to be NHLers imo.
Wonder if we have any interest in Parker Wotherspoon who is a pretty decent prospect, one of the better NHL elegibles from the WHL. His big brother T-Spoon is coming along well for the Flames so it would be neat if we Drafted Parker. I've seen quite a bit of him and Brandon Carlo at Tri-City, I would be ecstatic if we could grab them both. :P/
PARKER WOTHERSPOON
Future Considerations
A composed, two-way defender…a high-end skater…good acceleration to his stride and excellent top-end speed…uses his skating to create offence…handles the puck well and makes simple but effective outlet passes…possesses a hard shot with a quick release…defensively he is very smart and composed…excellent gap work and a great stick when defending both off the cycle and off the rush…not overly physical at all but does use his frame to protect pucks against the forecheck…nothings seems to faze this kid. (December 2014)
6' 170lbs is not ideal size for the nhl
By comparison tyler was 6'2" 200lbs in his draft year
Would much rather take a prospect with bigger projectible frame. The teams left in contention don't have a small d corps.
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By comparison tyler was 6'2" 200lbs in his draft year
Would much rather take a prospect with bigger projectible frame. The teams left in contention don't have a small d corps.
I agree, the ideal size for someone in the NHL is in the Perry - Getzlaf size. above 6'2 above 210. Kind of like where Ferland is size-wise. If I was in the NHL. I'd love to be Milan Lucic's size, it is definitely helpful.
I think that type of drafting will have us miss out on more good players than we uncover. 6'1 is tall enough. He is a COMPLETELY different player from his brother. Tyler is a boring stay at home d-man, with all due respect. Parker is one of the best skating dmen in the draft who has a fantastic 2 way game. 1 inch and <30lbs doesnt matter to me. Parker wont see the NHL for another 2 years minimum. He could easily grow and inch and put on 15lbs per season untill then.
I know we are small, but is a 6'1 dman with a 97 birthday that undersized that we should avoid them regardless? Or taking the bigger player between Zboril and Chabot. To me thats quite danerous and im sure our scouts understand they need to look for size but its got to be down the list in terms of priority after a few more important things.
That reminds me of Oakland Raiders and their drafting for speed. Didnt work out too well for them.
In my opinion size should only seperate 2 prospects if you have them dead even everywhere else. Skating, IQ, hands etc.
I actually think a 6'1 player would boost our d-core's avg height, not to mention he could grow considerably.
I remember when Burke said Stempniak would be a top class player in this league if he was one inch taller. The guy is 5'11, being 6'0 wouldnt change too much in his career in my opinion. I've always been against that type of thinking in every sport.
I'm glad treliving is prioritizing skating, skill and then looking towards size. Love that he mentioned he wont draft a big player just for being big. See ya Paul Bittner!
That being said I'd be ecstatic if we could add a high end talent in this draft who also happens to be over 6'2 and 200lbs. BUT If we take Konecny, Merkley, etc I will be just as thrilled. Konecny was the OHL rookie of the season and the 1st overall pick in the draft down there not long ago. I always thought he would be gone top 5 in his draft class. I honestly couldnt be upset with a pick like that even though Konecny is smaller he plays very hard as is instilled in most Ottawa 67s. Same with Merkley..he is even more physical albeit arguably less talented offensively with a better 2 way game. Plays like a smaller ferland with more offensive upside.
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KONECNY
Peter Harling (Apr. 3rd):Konecny is a prototypical Brian Kilrea type player in the mould of former Ottawa 67’s such as Alyn McCauley, Logan Couture, Mike Peca, and Sean Monahan. Konecny is a highly skilled player, but what has also made him valuable is his leadership, intensity and determination.
Konecny (pronounced Koh-Neck-Knee) was the first overall pick in the OHL draft in 2013 by Ottawa and in his rookie season he scored 70 points in 63 games played en route to winning the Rookie of the year award. Konecny was then named the Captain of team Canada at the Ivan Hlinka tournament where he scored six points in five games to lead Canada to the Gold Medal. In his draft year he has assumed the Captaincy of the Ottawa 67’s and scored 29 goals and 39 assists for 68 points in 60 games.
The high water mark for Konecny this season came at the top prospects game. Konecny stole the show scoring two goals, one assist and delivering a big time hit playing on a line with Connor McDavid and Timo Meier.
Konecny describes himself as a playmaker with skill, that’s reliable at both ends of the ice. The focus this season for Konecny has been to refine his defensive game while still providing offense. He has breakaway speed and great vision and possesses the ability to make plays or shoot while at top speed making him a dynamic offensive player. Despite his smaller size, he plays a physical style of game and is not afraid to deliver big hits and go into high traffic areas which make him a game breaker calibre player.
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Merkley
Curtis Joe of EliteProspects: A playmaking center that has an excellent eye for the game; sees the ice like a hawk from above. Creates scoring chances and on-ice energy through taking advantage of puck-possession and making the most of turnovers. Incredible work ethic; will battle against larger players and isn't afraid to do the dirty work in front of the net. Does not possess the largest frame or a dynamic level of skating; however, he does boast a remarkably high level of Hockey-IQ and a deep understanding of the game. There is something left to be desired having observed his individual skills, such as puckhandling, footspeed, and decision-making, for a prolonged period of time; there is definitely room for improvement in the small areas of his game. All-in-all, Merkley brings a medley of skill, smarts, and work ethic to the table, making him an invaluable asset as a Center.
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The Flames made the playoffs when no one expected them to this season. It looks like their rebuilding is going well. Calgary hasn’t taken a defenseman in the first round since Tim Erixon in 2009. Kylington is rated No. 1 in European skaters. The Flames can give him a few years.
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Most mocks out there have kylington available at 15
You're stock is falling as a 17 year old? Can anyone list players that have worked out after dropping this significantly in their draft years?
I realize Forsberg was a projected 5-ish pick, and dropped to 11th. But that's not on the same level as this Kylington fall we're witnessing. Same with Fowler, but even then... only dropped from 5-ish to 12. Kylington falling out of the 1st round on legitmate rankings? I'd stay away.
Wasn't Brandon Saad ranked in the top 5-10 early in his draft year? Then fell all the way to the Hawks at 43. Now, four years later he's the third highest scorer from that draft.
A blue collar type two-way center. Heads-up player who makes high-percentage plays in all three zones; efficient in all situations. Smooth skater. Out-working the opposition and being hard to play against are leadership traits that Jansen Harkins most definitely embodies. (Curtis Joe, EP 2014)
Has been getting many comparisons, due to his high-end playmaking ability and all-around game, to the player David Krejci. Comparable adaptive game and ability to shoot as well as pass the puck.
Curtis Joe of EliteProspects: Incredibly skilled offensive winger. Has a remarkably accurate shot to go along with some magic hands. Could be better defensively, but his game is based around his acute sense of what is happening on the ice in the offensive zone. All-in-all, a deadly player who possesses good size, elite-level skill, and smooth skating.
Bill Placzek of DraftSite.com: "Big bodied Russian import who hands and feet can at times make him a dominant player in games. Has a good shot and feet. Possesses a big frame that has room for more weight. A member of his homeland’s team roster for the World Junior Under-20 at Christmas 2014."
15) Calgary Flames: Lawson Crouse, Left Wing, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Stats: 56 GP, 29 G, 22 A, 51 P Calgary president of hockey operations Brian Burke always has been a fan of physical forwards. That’s how he built his Ducks and Leafs teams, and he’s taken a somewhat similar approach in Calgary, although general manager Brad Treliving deserves a lot of credit for the team’s recent success. Crouse is a high-risk/high-reward prospect, so it’s difficult to project where the 6-foot-4, 212-pound winger will be drafted. He could go top seven or slip into the middle of the first round. He’s a prototypical power forward and a smart defensive player, but his offensive game still needs a fair amount of work. Crouse is a bit of a gamble, but the possible reward — a Milan Lucic-type skill set if he reaches his full potential — is enticing.
15. Calgary Flames
Travis Konecny, RW, Ottawa (OHL): Plays with enormous energy, and plays a big man’s game despite the fact he’s not a big man. Has gradually made the move to the wing and had a strong second half.
Wasn't Brandon Saad ranked in the top 5-10 early in his draft year? Then fell all the way to the Hawks at 43. Now, four years later he's the third highest scorer from that draft.
I remember him being my horse in the race when we drafted Baertschi.
Had never seen him, but he was a big CHL center (which at the time was they only type of player any Flames Fan focused on), and I remember thinking that playing on a US team allot of the normal OHL would probably have less viewings of him, and the Canadian sources seemed lower on him than ISS.
I was surprised he fell to the second round, and even more surprised I turned out to be right about him. He could have been a pretty good mid 1st round pick.
If you youtube Konecny, you tend to drool a bit. Immense skill and a natural RW. Deadly wrister too. Wouldn't cry about it if he was the Flames pick. 67's brother from another mother Sean Monahan wasn't too bad of a pick. Here:
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Still going to hang my hat on Svechnikov though. Kid is awesome.
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As for Harkins, the Flames have been scouting him pretty heavy apparently, according to anonymous youtube poster on this interview piece. Here:
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Harkins I read somewhere has a very similar playing style to David Krecji, every team could use a Krecji IMO.
Anywho, YOUTUBE scouting FTW!
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That was a fun tournament. I'd be happy with any of the players on that USA team.
Not naming names on anyone that refused to report where Svechnikov did. But I'd be royally upset if we crowned a certain player as a Calgary Flame. I just don't think that attitude is fitting of a king.
In one mock draft they had the Flames nabbing Harkins 1st round, Matthew Spencer with the Flames 2nd round pick, Gabriel Carlsson with Van's 2nd rounder and some U-18 USA kid Christian Fischer with the Caps'. Heavy RW, scored a goal in the first ten seconds of the game in the only game video I could find of just him.
As for the player I think you're thinking of...... First name V? Last name Z?
I agree, the ideal size for someone in the NHL is in the Perry - Getzlaf size. above 6'2 above 210. Kind of like where Ferland is size-wise. If I was in the NHL. I'd love to be Milan Lucic's size, it is definitely helpful.
I think that type of drafting will have us miss out on more good players than we uncover. 6'1 is tall enough. He is a COMPLETELY different player from his brother. Tyler is a boring stay at home d-man, with all due respect. Parker is one of the best skating dmen in the draft who has a fantastic 2 way game. 1 inch and <30lbs doesnt matter to me. Parker wont see the NHL for another 2 years minimum. He could easily grow and inch and put on 15lbs per season untill then.
I know we are small, but is a 6'1 dman with a 97 birthday that undersized that we should avoid them regardless? Or taking the bigger player between Zboril and Chabot. To me thats quite danerous and im sure our scouts understand they need to look for size but its got to be down the list in terms of priority after a few more important things.
That reminds me of Oakland Raiders and their drafting for speed. Didnt work out too well for them.
In my opinion size should only seperate 2 prospects if you have them dead even everywhere else. Skating, IQ, hands etc.
I actually think a 6'1 player would boost our d-core's avg height, not to mention he could grow considerably.
I remember when Burke said Stempniak would be a top class player in this league if he was one inch taller. The guy is 5'11, being 6'0 wouldnt change too much in his career in my opinion. I've always been against that type of thinking in every sport.
I'm glad treliving is prioritizing skating, skill and then looking towards size. Love that he mentioned he wont draft a big player just for being big. See ya Paul Bittner!
That being said I'd be ecstatic if we could add a high end talent in this draft who also happens to be over 6'2 and 200lbs. BUT If we take Konecny, Merkley, etc I will be just as thrilled. Konecny was the OHL rookie of the season and the 1st overall pick in the draft down there not long ago. I always thought he would be gone top 5 in his draft class. I honestly couldnt be upset with a pick like that even though Konecny is smaller he plays very hard as is instilled in most Ottawa 67s. Same with Merkley..he is even more physical albeit arguably less talented offensively with a better 2 way game. Plays like a smaller ferland with more offensive upside.
While we don't want to draft the next greg Nemisz, we don't want to draft the next Zach Hamill either. The whole package has to be considered, including size and how the players game will translate into the NHL.
Issue with Konecny and Merkley is drafting another small skilled guy when we have Gaudreau as part of our core. I think we have room for one skilled small player and Gaudreau is that player. Yes, we have Hudler as well now but in order go compete we need to surround our small guys with big skilled guys. Adding Konecny or Merkley to the mix makes us smaller. While Treliving and the scouts won't draft based on size alone, believe it will be a factor when it comes to the overall team makeup.
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While we don't want to draft the next greg Nemisz, we don't want to draft the next Zach Hamill either. The whole package has to be considered, including size and how the players game will translate into the NHL.
Issue with Konecny and Merkley is drafting another small skilled guy when we have Gaudreau as part of our core. I think we have room for one skilled small player and Gaudreau is that player. Yes, we have Hudler as well now but in order go compete we need to surround our small guys with big skilled guys. Adding Konecny or Merkley to the mix makes us smaller. While Treliving and the scouts won't draft based on size alone, believe it will be a factor when it comes to the overall team makeup.
100% agree with this. While I am a strong advocate of drafting BPA, I think that the playoff series vs. Anaheim really showed our lack of size. Having two of your top six forwards being small could be bad going forward. I would be ectatic if we drafted Svechnikov. Big skilled player who can score? Yes please.
