Calgary Flames Draft 15th Overall in the 2015 Draft

[puds]

I suppose it depends how deep the draft is I suppose. We already have so many picks in the second and third rounds though that I think I would be happier if they picked at fifteen.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You would be... right.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up

So Washington losing to the Rangers was the equivalent of a mid-3rd pick in value for the Flames two picks from Wash. Crazy.

[sureLoss]

Red Line Report's latest draft preview... Some stuff about Russian Factor. Absolutely roast Kylington

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-may/27307985/

One of the most perplexing developments in the world of prospects this year has been the wildly erratic play of Swedish wunderkind Oliver Kylington.

Viewed by many (including Red Line) as a top five talent heading into this season, Kylington has taken a gigantic step backward and we have finally had to take the drastic step of dropping him completely out of our first round. While the super-skilled blue-liner's immense talent is not in question, we can't for the life of us figure out what the hell is going on inside his head most of the time.

Our biggest complaint is that, for all his stupendous puck skills, he seems either incapable — or worse yet, simply unwilling — to make the simple, correct play with the puck that is called for in 90% of game situations. Why make the simple, correct play when you can contort yourself into spasms looking for — and trying — the impossibly flashy play that says, "Hey, look at me - I'm sooooo skilled." And invariably winds up as a brutal turnover.

Having said all that, Kylington is undoubtedly the best pure skater in the draft, with the type of speed, agility, and balance on the rush that are currently rivaled in the NHL only by the likes of Erik Karlsson and P.K. Subban.

Given all that, we think of him as the ultimate boom-or-bust, high risk/high reward defenceman, and we admit he has us in a conundrum. Do you take the gamble very early in the draft on pure talent and assume your staff can coach him up? Or is he so undisciplined and irresponsible in his decision-making that he'll be a coach killer for at least the first six to eight years of his career?

We honestly have no idea which way his career will go. If we were sitting with a pick in the middle of the first round and Kylington was still on the board, we'd be sorely tempted. But ultimately, we think we'd settle on a player who wouldn't have as high an upside (not many do), but would be a safer bet to develop into a quality NHLer.

[Five-hole]

Could definitely see toronto or Edmonton taking a flyer on Kylington with their second 1st rounders.

[Bingo]

^ have to wonder if the draft pressure has gotten to Kylington, and will subside when the puck drops in October.

If the Flames see him fall to the late first round it might be a good use of some of those picks to move up and take him.

[SuperMatt18]

I would love to try to move up and add a second first rounder to draft Kylington.

All the tools but tries to force the fancy play...sounds like a kid trying to prove how good he is during his draft season.

[heep223]

Sounds like PK Subban to me. Who's done quite well I think.

[Firebot]

Kylington sounds like Shinkaruk. Someone who's difficult to work with and seems to make all the wrong decisions despite the skills. A stubborn mule.

There's a reason why someone highly ranked falls through the ranks. Shinkaruk looks like a total bust, and has proven all the teams including the Flames right in passing on him.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I really hope we dont trade a pick at the draft for an underwhelming slow 4th liner. I almost cried when we acquired bollig last season, even though I dont mind him. I think its important to use all your picks unless you are super high on someone and can possibly trade up in a rational deal.

Our scouts all have players they will be raving about. Like Hickey last year or Poirier before that. The scouts always have a beat on a player we've probably never heard of who is going to break out next year or the year after. When we drafted Hickey I was dissapointed because there were a few american dmen I was more familiar with and would have prefered at that spot. But after I looked at the scouting profile on him and saw him play a few games at BU, also reading what the coach and other players say about him it really made me gain confidence in our scouting.

We drafted a fairly unknown fast defencemen from the AJHL who ends up having a fantastic freshman season at BU and builds a nice name for himself as an up and coming prospect.

I'd rather draft a few more Hickeys and smiths in the 2nd/3rd/4th than trading up or moving picks out for roster players.

I think the draft is like a calculated gamble which can pay off depending on your scouts and how much you trust them.

Imagine we didnt take Johnny with the 4th that year, or didnt listen to the russian scout about Rushan Rafikov, whose game has come on leaps and bounds since we took him in the 7th round, represents Russia regularly and looked good in the subway super series.

I want us to keep doing that. Trusting our scouting team and being patient.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I hope we get Roy. Would be a solid #3 imo, and we could use a PPQB.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Disagree with the comment on the quality of dmen available in the second round. After Chabot Roy and Zboril, the quality of days propects falls off considerably. There are a lot of one dimensional undersized d in this draft. The three d mentioned appear to be the most rounded d out there and the quality drops off after them.

I dunno.. Matt Spencer, Rasmus Anderson, Gustav Bouramman, Thomas Schemitsch... four guys I'd love for us to draft in the second/third.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I really hope we dont trade a pick at the draft for an underwhelming slow 4th liner. I almost cried when we acquired bollig last season, even though I dont mind him. I think its important to use all your picks unless you are super high on someone and can possibly trade up in a rational deal.

Our scouts all have players they will be raving about. Like Hickey last year or Poirier before that. The scouts always have a beat on a player we've probably never heard of who is going to break out next year or the year after. When we drafted Hickey I was dissapointed because there were a few american dmen I was more familiar with and would have prefered at that spot. But after I looked at the scouting profile on him and saw him play a few games at BU, also reading what the coach and other players say about him it really made me gain confidence in our scouting.

We drafted a fairly unknown fast defencemen from the AJHL who ends up having a fantastic freshman season at BU and builds a nice name for himself as an up and coming prospect.

I'd rather draft a few more Hickeys and smiths in the 2nd/3rd/4th than trading up or moving picks out for roster players.

I think the draft is like a calculated gamble which can pay off depending on your scouts and how much you trust them.

Imagine we didnt take Johnny with the 4th that year, or didnt listen to the russian scout about Rushan Rafikov, whose game has come on leaps and bounds since we took him in the 7th round, represents Russia regularly and looked good in the subway super series.

I want us to keep doing that. Trusting our scouting team and being patient.

I believe that was Igor Kravchuk, who isn't actually a scout for us, but just had a convo with Conroy and brought up Rafikov as someone we should be looking at.

[H2SO4(aq)]

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Kylington goes 16th to the oil.

Funny thing is, that would be the worst team for a kid like him to go to.

If he is around in the late first round I would love if flames traded up for him. That would be a great situation for him developmentally.

[automaton 3]

After Burke and Trevling's comments about how highly they value character and hockey iq, I don't see them going anywhere near Kylington.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I dunno.. Matt Spencer, Rasmus Anderson, Gustav Bouramman, Thomas Schemitsch... four guys I'd love for us to draft in the second/third.

Not saying there aren't good prospects in the 2nd/3rd, but they appear to be less well rounded that what would be available to us at 15.

[cannon7]

Kylington looks like a Red Wings pick to me. A late first rounder that they'll be patient with and develop into a solid player. We've seen this story before, a guy drops just before the draft and the Red Wings swoop in and pick him up.

Considering how many picks the Flames have in the first three rounds, I kind of hope they can parlay those second and third rounders into two late first rounders. Considering how deep the draft is, there may be sellers in the late first round looking to turn their first into two seconds or similar. This is assuming the Flames scouts have guys they want to target in the late first round -- if their rankings flatten out between 20-45th overall then just use the picks you have.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Kylington looks like a Red Wings pick to me. A late first rounder that they'll be patient with and develop into a solid player. We've seen this story before, a guy drops just before the draft and the Red Wings swoop in and pick him up.

Considering how many picks the Flames have in the first three rounds, I kind of hope they can parlay those second and third rounders into two late first rounders. Considering how deep the draft is, there may be sellers in the late first round looking to turn their first into two seconds or similar. This is assuming the Flames scouts have guys they want to target in the late first round -- if their rankings flatten out between 20-45th overall then just use the picks you have.

Considering Treliving talked about how he values having more chances to draft players, I doubt you'll see him turn 3 or 4 picks into 1.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I dunno.. Matt Spencer, Rasmus Anderson, Gustav Bouramman, Thomas Schemitsch... four guys I'd love for us to draft in the second/third.

Those two look really really good in the 2nd round.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Kylington looks like a Red Wings pick to me. A late first rounder that they'll be patient with and develop into a solid player. We've seen this story before, a guy drops just before the draft and the Red Wings swoop in and pick him up.

Considering how many picks the Flames have in the first three rounds, I kind of hope they can parlay those second and third rounders into two late first rounders. Considering how deep the draft is, there may be sellers in the late first round looking to turn their first into two seconds or similar. This is assuming the Flames scouts have guys they want to target in the late first round -- if their rankings flatten out between 20-45th overall then just use the picks you have.

This is not the draft to condense your picks. 4 picks in the top 53 is a massive boon for the franchise. this draft goes deep into the 3rd round apparently so the quantity turns into quality.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Those two look really really good in the 2nd round.

Schemitsch might end up the steal of the draft though. Reading up in him, he seems to have every factor against him... Plays his backhand side having only converted to D a few years ago, yet seems to excel at the role and pick up on everything quickly. You can't underestimate that quick-learning / adaption ability.