Should/will Bob Hartley be fired in the off season? [EDIT: A conversation from 2013]

[polak]

damn, disappointed that I didn't post in this thread. I remember being on the fence.

[squiggs96]

I'm shocked that puckluck, moon, and Estrada had something negative to say about a guy who will soon receive the Jack Adams award. Shocked I tell you.

[Burke Salad]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I wish. There's a jersey in my collection that serves as a constant reminder.

I have the old Bouwmeester in the vintage red, that makes me hurl.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'm shocked that puckluck, moon, and Estrada had something negative to say about a guy who will soon receive the Jack Adams award. Shocked I tell you.

What purpose exactly does this post serve? Whether you like them or not Moon and Puckluck aren't here to defend themselves so nice job kicking former posters when they are down and out.

I'll admit I was totally wrong in my initial assessment of Hartley but that initial season was just awful. Worst Flames team since the young guns era and there was the stink of nepotism with the hire from the start not to mention the bungled ROR offer making the season worse than it had to be.

However things worked themselves out over the next season as the old core was moved, Burke was hired and Feaster was let go. That chain of events has simply worked for this franchise as you have to question if the team would be where it is today if Feaster was kept on as there was obviously some disconnect there between coach and GM with Baertschi seeing the day Feaster was fired Sven finally got sent down. Burke gave him the vote of confidence and from that day on Hartley did things his way. Hartley's done a magnificent job this season and is my pick for the Jack Adams.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know. Hartley's record was not very good in his first season with the same core that Brent failed with. I don't discount the excellent job Hartley has done but IMO a big part about the change in the team's fortunes centers around a change in captaincy and complete removal of the old core of players.

All of which should have made the Flames competitive by the 2016-17 season.

[Geeoff]

I miss Moon. He was always a Flames realist.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I miss Moon. He was always a Flames realist.

I believe "pessimist" is the word you're looking for here.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Poe969

But you can blame him for going with those guys when it counts instead of going with a new approach. It's Hartley's MO, he goes witih "proven stars" and was only brought in to get the most out of the older players in the "win now" approach. This team isn't going to be that way (or shouldn't be) for a few more years so having him around might actually do more harm than good. Brining in new players, younger players, that have a new way of doing things should be met with a new coach with a fresh outlook. I don't care what Hartley has done in the past with other teams, I don't even care what he did this year so far or what he's going to do with this team for the rest of the year. His style just doesn't fit with the new NHL and if the Flames want to move forward, I just think they should get with the times and adapt

will you shut the f*** up already, you're making us look bad! Stupid past Poe969 was talking out of the wrong end when he wrote that. Had a point about younger players and new system and whatnot but completely wrong about Hartley. I thought he was more of a players coach and favoured vets to rookies. I was wrong and it's not the first time and won't be the last. Hartley is going to win the Jack Adams this year and he's already made a Bobleiver out of me.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by troutman

The proper thing to do when you are wrong is to admit it without qualifications.

I'm literally laughing out loud at one or two posters who thanked this while never admitting their own wrongs.

Whats good for the goose, guys.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I believe "pessimist" is the word you're looking for here.

I don't think he was a pessimist. He was one of those individuals that formed his own beliefs and never waivered from them regardless of evidence to the contrary. There were certain teams, players, coaches etc that he never liked and was never going to like or give them credit regardless of what they did. Without getting into what got him banned I didn't think he was a bad poster until he got on a tangent on a player or coach that he had it in for to which he would sidetrack a thread.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think he was a pessimist. He was one of those individuals that formed his own beliefs and never waivered from them regardless of evidence to the contrary. There were certain teams, players, coaches etc that he never liked and was never going to like or give them credit regardless of what they did. Without getting into what got him banned I didn't think he was a bad poster until he got on a tangent on a player or coach that he had it in for to which he would sidetrack a thread.

He was a Flames pessimist, which is different than being just generally pessimistic. Almost by default, moon took as low a view as he reasonably could about all things Calgary, and tended to give the benefit of doubt to every other team by comparison (well, except for the Oilers). He was consistently pessimistic about the Flames, and it was odd.

[Kjesse]

Reviewing these old threads for the most part reinforces perceptions. There are a lot of thoughtful posts in thread, mostly from posters who don't post a lot but make it count when they do. Then there are the usual suspects, some of them banned, whose subtraction from this site improved the dialogue we get to read. Still others just post too much and never admit mistakes.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

who would have ever thought that would be a questionable purchase - i thought he was gonna be here forever

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh the shame...

In my defence I had no intention of buying one. FlamesFanInEDM was stuck with one after the group buy of the European jerseys and I took a flyer on it to help a guy out since I was shopping through his collection at the time anyway.

It was the best jersey not currently in my collection.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm literally laughing out loud at one or two posters who thanked this while never admitting their own wrongs.

Whats good for the goose, guys.

I am going to assume you aren't talking about Me, right?

[Locke]

Its a good thing the title got changed, I cant imagine if anyone saw that thread title right now.

Bob: "WTF? Seriously? What the hell do these people want from me?!?!"

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He was a Flames pessimist, which is different than being just generally pessimistic. Almost by default, moon took as low a view as he reasonably could about all things Calgary, and tended to give the benefit of doubt to every other team by comparison (well, except for the Oilers). He was consistently pessimistic about the Flames, and it was odd.

No I believe if he didn't like the GM or head coach of the Flames at the time he would be a pessimist because as I said before he was not a person that would change his opinion to conform with the formation of factual evidence to the contrary. He didn't like Feaster or Hartley so he wasn't going to give them credit regardless as today if he's still here he likely still isn't giving Hartley his due. Everything was black and white with that guy and if he indeed liked the players and coaches he would support them and if he didn't they were never going to get his support. Anyway that's all I'm going to say about Moon.

[Flash Walken]

Held onto his preconceived notions in the face of contradicting factual evidence.

Sounds like an excellent poster.

[Frank MetaMusil]

The best was the Wideman diatribes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The best was the Wideman diatribes.

I can get some good anti-Stajan posts from about a month ago. The words "hot garbage" might have been used.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The best was the Wideman diatribes.

I personally really liked the few posts in which the team was readily acknowledged as terrible, but with the silver lining caveat that under Bob the Flames were much more exciting to watch.