Red Mile discussion #saferedmile

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Acey

I don't like trying to make everything into a dumb hashtag is all.

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Originally Posted by Acey

#tatasforTJ
#boobiesforbooms
#girliesforferly

Those two posts are awesome on so many levels.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

Case and point.

I just don't understand how people are jumping to this conclusion. I saw one guy, ONE GUY actually chanting for boobs or anything of the sorts. Now it's a nexus for horny losers?

If walking down the street, giving high fives, chanting go flames go, burning canuck jerseys and drinking beer and watching a band preform in that park where Melrose used to be with out getting in trouble by the police is what horny losers do then I guess it is, cause that's literally what my experience and the experience of every person I was with was.

Well, they also go into the bar and try to talk to girls and pretend to be interested in what they say because "hey, layup - easy score".

eta: It's "case in point".

[polak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, they also go into the bar and try to talk to girls and pretend to be interested in what they say because "hey, layup - easy score".

Oh 100%.

Don't pretend like every person (guy or girl) doesn't have their own horny loser moments. One night stands, friend with benefits etc...

I just disagree with the notion that the Red Mile is some Mecca for those in that state... at least so far. Arguably, it was in '04.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

eta: It's "case in point".

Really? .... no way. ####.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

Oh 100%.

Don't pretend like every person (guy or girl) doesn't have their own horny loser moments. One night stands, friend with benefits etc...

Originally Posted by polak

Protip: If you wanna see a girls boobs, don't chant aimlessly like a moron. Strike up a conversation and find a way to get her talking about them herself. From there on in, it's a layup and you're probably getting laid too.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I cannot remember the last time I face palmed so many times in a thread.

[polak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes I understand the connection you are trying to make.

Like I said, just trying to have some fun.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by polak

Rambling.

Now that this is all coming to light I'll be more cognoscente of the issue going forward.

As for the rest of my posts after I "rested my case" if you will, I'm just having fun. Nothing hateful or mean was said towards anyone. I think some people might be getting a little too sensitive to posts on an internet message board.

Cognizant.

Not that I'm against having fun, but I don't think this is one of those threads where flippant comments should be made. Rather insensitive.

Originally Posted by polak

Case and point.

I just don't understand how people are jumping to this conclusion. I saw one guy, ONE GUY actually chanting for boobs or anything of the sorts. Now it's a nexus for horny losers?

If walking down the street, giving high fives, chanting go flames go, burning canuck jerseys and drinking beer and watching a band preform in that park where Melrose used to be with out getting in trouble by the police is what horny losers do then I guess it is, cause that's literally what my experience and the experience of every person I was with was.

Case IN point.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/case+in+point

You're individual experience doesn't really matter. That's just anecdotal evidence. I will also assume that you are a little insensitive to these matters just by your comments today, so I have a feeling you wouldn't be picking up on what others found disturbing or sexually aggressive.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Cognizant.

Spellcheck has failed me.

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Not that I'm against having fun, but I don't think this is one of those threads where flippant comments should be made. Rather insensitive.

You're individual experience doesn't really matter. That's just anecdotal evidence. I will also assume that you are a little insensitive to these matters just by your comments today, so I have a feeling you wouldn't be picking up on what others found disturbing or sexually aggressive.

I know it doesn't but imagine if you went to some awesome event where everyone appeared to be having an absolutely amazing time, high fiving and cheering and really personifying what the event should be and you're stoked cause this is an event you've been waiting for since you were in junior high and couldn't attend and then the next day the front page of the news says it was actually full of sexual harassment.

Would you not speak up and say "wtf?". Sure I worded it poorly and I should have posted like I posted after I got called out by Nyah. Yeah I guess you can say I was being insensitive. It's an internet message board, not a conference on sexual harassment. I still stand by the fact that none of what I said belittled the case by case occurrences of sexual harassment and I feel embarrassed as someone who attended and plans to keep attending, that #### like that actually happened. Actually I'm still a bit dumbfounded that it does and doesn't end in a serious beat down.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

What is the point of this?

If I could try and sum it up: Some of this stuff isn't cool. Be cool, everyone.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Cognizant.

Not that I'm against having fun, but I don't think this is one of those threads where flippant comments should be made. Rather insensitive.



Case IN point.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/case+in+point

You're individual experience doesn't really matter. That's just anecdotal evidence. I will also assume that you are a little insensitive to these matters just by your comments today, so I have a feeling you wouldn't be picking up on what others found disturbing or sexually aggressive.

Your*

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hello Off-Topic forum, what are you doing in FOI?

This^^

While the thread started out as red-mile related, it has morphed into a sexual harassment/gender relations discussion devoid of fun hockey talk.

It's worth talking about, but not on the FOI.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Your*

ARGH!!! That was an autocorrect. I hate my computer sometimes.

[Jbo]

I am supportive that the Red Mile should not be a place women feel uncomfortable....

but between the police coming out and telling people not to go to 17th, to anti-harassment groups protesting, to all the various groups fighting, all of the fun and random spontaneity has been sucked out of this thing.

I don't go to see boobs, I go to run around and high five and cheer, and hear horns blasting, and drink some beers. Now it feels like all that magic is gone.

I dunno, I don't have a solution, but I just miss the days when people could celebrate in the streets without feeling like a bad person about it.

The world has changed

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by polak

Spellcheck has failed me.



I know it doesn't but imagine if you went to some awesome event where everyone appeared to be having an absolutely amazing time, high fiving and cheering and really personifying what the event should be and you're stoked cause this is an event you've been waiting for since you were in junior high and couldn't attend and then the next day the front page of the news says it was actually full of sexual harassment.

Would you not speak up and say "wtf?". Sure I worded it poorly and I should have posted like I posted after I got called out by Nyah. Yeah I guess you can say I was being insensitive. It's an internet message board, not a conference on sexual harassment. I still stand by the fact that none of what I said belittled the case by case occurrences of sexual harassment and I feel embarrassed as someone who attended and plans to keep attending, that #### like that actually happened. Actually I'm still a bit dumbfounded that it does and doesn't end in a serious beat down.

Just how observant and perceptive is the average inebriated person (of which there are many on the Red Mile) in a sea of humanity where the harassers are probably not advertising their ass grabbing? You might think you're on top of everything when you're drunk, but you're not. Even if a person is sober, it's impossible to catch everything that is happening.

[handgroen]

This is the fire and ice forum it's for hockey talk, can this thread please be moved to the off topic forum

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by handgroen

This is the fire and ice forum it's for hockey talk, can this thread please be moved to the off topic forum

The Red Mile pertains to the Calgary Flames and our fans. It looks like the thread is staying. Multiple moderators have posted in it. No amount of font changes will alter that.

Everything pertaining to the Calgary Flames and NHL hockey in general.

[Bunk]

I am supportive that the Red Mile should not be a place women feel uncomfortable....

but between the police coming out and telling people not to go to 17th, to anti-harassment groups protesting, to all the various groups fighting, all of the fun and random spontaneity has been sucked out of this thing.

I don't go to see boobs, I go to run around and high five and cheer, and hear horns blasting, and drink some beers. Now it feels like all that magic is gone.

I dunno, I don't have a solution, but I just miss the days when people could celebrate in the streets without feeling like a bad person about it.

The world has changed

I think that magic was due to its spontaneity. Even when Edmonton and Ottawa tried to do the same kind of thing in their runs shortly after it just seemed so contrived. If it's manufactured or is trying to recreate something it'll lose that magic. I don't think it's anything to do with anti-harassment groups or police or anything like that.

The boobs, especially at the beginning last time, were sort of a by-product of the elation. I think perhaps the problem this time around might be that too many people go primarily for that reason, therefore you get more overt sexual harassment.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I think that magic was due to its spontaneity. Even when Edmonton and Ottawa tried to do the same kind of thing in their runs shortly after it just seemed so contrived. If it's manufactured or is trying to recreate something it'll lose that magic. I don't think it's anything to do with anti-harassment groups or police or anything like that.

The boobs, especially at the beginning last time, were sort of a by-product of the elation. I think perhaps the problem this time around might be that too many people go primarily for that reason, therefore you get more overt sexual harassment.

Yup I agree 100%.it does not help that the Media and Flames Org also promote the Red Mile rather then something organic that occurred.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by jammies

Logically if there are people out there harassing* these women then these people do, in fact, disagree. How does this fact escape you? If everyone thought this behaviour was wrong, nobody would be doing it, would they?

Discussing issues like this is how social norms are defined and ultimately enforced: by collective disapproval. The only ones who should have strong negative reactions to this issue being raised are those who don't think there is anything wrong with this kind of harassment, either because they (mistakenly) don't think it is harassment, or don't care because they are self-centred misogynist d-bags. Is that you?

*CHL we're not in court, there are shades of meaning to the word "harassment" and the term "sexual harassment". The English language is not subject to your pettifoggery and nitpickery. Nobody is going to be citing post #743 in this thread in court.

** People are also way too uptight about nudity, but in the context of our society being that prudish, the right of someone not to feel intimidated by large groups of drunk young men is much more important than some doomed crusade to make our morals more European.

*** Expecting people to act civil when they are drunk is not a ridiculous expectation, either - I was drunk as **** Tuesday night and I managed to walk down the Red Mile without accosting or fighting anyone. It's a cop-out.

This is pretty much why I started this thread. There's a problem and it needs discussion or things won't change - or even worse, if it's not talked about it may become more socially acceptable.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The Red Mile pertains to the Calgary Flames and our fans. It looks like the thread is staying. Multiple moderators have posted in it. No amount of font changes will alter that.

oh dear...